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26 Jan 2021, 10:51 am

I've been trying to shine a light on this for awhile, now. This is only going to get worse.


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26 Jan 2021, 10:58 am

Facebook is a private business; it can legally "censor" whomever it pleases, and there is nothing you can do about it...

... except not use Facebook.


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26 Jan 2021, 11:27 am

Fnord wrote:
Facebook is a private business; it can legally "censor" whomever it pleases, and there is nothing you can do about it...

... except not use Facebook.


If you don't understand, or care, about the implications of social media and MSM censoring all content that deviates from the corporate script, then I don't know what to tell you. Perhaps, move on to another topic? You're tired argument has been duly noted.

We've just gotten rid of a bad symptom of a greater disease, now we are feeding the disease worse than ever before.


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26 Jan 2021, 11:38 am

If it's really radical stuff that supports violence or property harm on those who think differently, then it should be censored. Other than that, I support the freedom of speech. However, like Fnord said, it's a private company, and laws give them rights on deciding what kind of content they publish. If you don't like that, then campaigning against these particular laws might be something you might want to consider.



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26 Jan 2021, 11:48 am

Fireblossom wrote:
If it's really radical stuff that supports violence or property harm on those who think differently, then it should be censored. Other than that, I support the freedom of speech. However, like Fnord said, it's a private company, and laws give them rights on deciding what kind of content they publish. If you don't like that, then campaigning against these particular laws might be something you might want to consider.


I've watched them go after progressive voices whose only crime is reporting corruption in government. What radical views did this group promote?


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26 Jan 2021, 12:24 pm

The man in the OP's video, James Patrick Anthony Dore (born July 26, 1965, Chicago, Illinois, U.S.A.) is an American Stand-Up Comedian and Political Commentator.  Dore is best known for hosting The Jimmy Dore Show.  He identifies politically as a progressive, and is an easily-recognizable Conspiracy Theorist.  Among his most notable antics:

• Jimmy Dore has made generalizations about police officers that are hyperbolic and inflammatory.  He has said that all cops are criminals, people who become cops never do it for the right reasons, and that heads of police unions are worse than any ISIS terrorist.  Along with these generalizations, in November 2014, Jimmy Dore endorsed the conspiracy theory that police in Ferguson, in a false flag operation, deliberately started fires in order to blame the crowd.

• In July 2016, at the Republican National Convention, Jimmy Dore was filmed spitting his drink in the face of Alex Jones.

• After it became clear that Bernie Sanders would not be the Democratic nominee for President in 2016, Jimmy Dore released a video where he asserted that a Donald Trump presidency would be better for progressives than a Clinton presidency.

• In February 2019, Jimmy Dore paraphrased a quote from Kevin Strom, a neo-Nazi and Holocaust denier, to defend Ilhan Omar from allegations of antisemitism.

• In May 2019, Jimmy Dore said "the Jewish lobby buying our politicians" is a "100% accurate fact".

:roll: Just another conspiracy theorist with way too much spare time on his hands.


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26 Jan 2021, 1:03 pm

Facebook is not a essential nor is it anything like having AT&T lol. That comparison is wild. Facebook can censor anything they want and what exactly did they shut down? I find it questionable they would shut down BLM groups so there is probably more to the story if that was true.


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26 Jan 2021, 1:07 pm

Were those accounts "censored" because of who owned them, or because of the contents of what they posted?  Mr. Dore seemed more offended that a "progressive" account was blocked than by what was said in the account, because he seems to have no objection to Facebook blocking Donald Trump's account.


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26 Jan 2021, 1:36 pm

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Facebook is not a essential nor is it anything like having AT&T lol. That comparison is wild. Facebook can censor anything they want and what exactly did they shut down? I find it questionable they would shut down BLM groups so there is probably more to the story if that was true.


Are you cool with all the information we are allowed to post and view being subjected to arbitrary decisions on what is appropriate. You do understand, don't you, that all these companies, along with the MSM, are owned by a handful of corporate interests, yes? They will protect their interests by all means necessary.

If nobody can even access content that is negative to the political establishment, then that will the nail in the coffin for a free exchange of ideas and opinions.

This should be a concern for us all. Unfortunately, the political atmosphere in the wake of Trump's disgrace, is clouding people's vision. We are just shoring up a system that is responsible for Trump's ascension to power.


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26 Jan 2021, 1:44 pm

Pretty much every website platform I have been on has allowed restricted what can't be posted there. Wordpress is the same way, and other forums, Patreon. I never had an issue with it because it does not affect me. That is because I don't post racist stuff and transphobia and other racist crap. I also don't have an issue with not posting adult stuff on SFW forums.

This man in video is entitled to his opinion and I enjoy hearing others thoughts on subjects rather I agree or disagree with them and I may think they are full of it and delusional.


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26 Jan 2021, 1:54 pm

League_Girl wrote:
Pretty much every website platform I have been on has allowed restricted what can't be posted there. Wordpress is the same way, and other forums, Patreon. I never had an issue with it because it does not affect me. That is because I don't post racist stuff and transphobia and other racist crap. I also don't have an issue with not posting adult stuff on SFW forums.

This man in video is entitled to his opinion and I enjoy hearing others thoughts on subjects rather I agree or disagree with them and I may think they are full of it and delusional.


If they only censored the type of material you're talking about, then we wouldn't be having this conversation. Unfortunately, they are also attacking anyone who is threat to those in power.


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26 Jan 2021, 1:54 pm

League_Girl wrote:
... This man in video is entitled to his opinion and I enjoy hearing others thoughts on subjects rather I agree or disagree with them and I may think they are full of it and delusional.
Sure, and after I had watched the video twice, I came away with the impression that Jimmy Dore is the leftist counterpart of Art Bell -- all rage and no reason.


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26 Jan 2021, 1:59 pm

Fnord wrote:
League_Girl wrote:
... This man in video is entitled to his opinion and I enjoy hearing others thoughts on subjects rather I agree or disagree with them and I may think they are full of it and delusional.
Sure, and after I had watched the video twice, I came away with the impression that Jimmy Dore is the leftist counterpart of Art Bell -- all rage and no reason.



I see he is a stand up comedian.


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26 Jan 2021, 2:08 pm

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League_Girl wrote:
... This man in video is entitled to his opinion and I enjoy hearing others thoughts on subjects rather I agree or disagree with them and I may think they are full of it and delusional.
Sure, and after I had watched the video twice, I came away with the impression that Jimmy Dore is the leftist counterpart of Art Bell -- all rage and no reason.
I see he is a stand up comedian.
Yes ... someone whose chosen profession is telling jokes and making people laugh.  He is also a self-appointed "Political Commentator" -- a job title that carries all the weight and purpose of "Influencer".  He also has a degree in "Marketing Communications" (not "Political Science"), so he knows what sells and how to sell it, and right now, political commentary sells so he sells it.  Simple.

As for Facebook, I have not visited my webpage since I blasted both the Left and the Right for being sell-outs to corporate interests and received death threats from both ends of the political spectrum for doing so.


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26 Jan 2021, 3:01 pm

It is also fair to point out that "censorship" of inflammatory posts -- or posts perceived as inflammatory -- often occurs on this very website without anyone taking notice or raising objections.


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26 Jan 2021, 6:04 pm

There is a difference between can and should. Put it another way just because it is legal does not automatically mean you should do it.

Cancel Culture is meant to calm things down by eliminating triggering speech. I have noticed the opposite of things calming down. Cancel Culture is meant to stamp out conspiracy theories, seems to me it has fueled them.

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I have a sound sensitivity to Jimmy Dore's voice.


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