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11 Mar 2021, 11:07 pm



"Based on real life events". The video is 5 years old and is like, a bit prophetic.



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12 Mar 2021, 9:41 pm

This isn't prophetic, it's propaganda. It's just as hysterical as the SJWs. There's necessary discussions to be had, and this is not a step towards that goal.


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12 Mar 2021, 10:49 pm

Well, it's Satire and a really funny one.

Yes, it's true that some who oppose the SJWs end up being as extreme and as crazy as they are. Like some who get to be Ben Shapiro's fans for example, it's just that after recent stuff and cancel culture and twitter harassment being stronger than 5 years ago, because it is, the "profetic" claim, looks more convincing.



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13 Mar 2021, 8:19 pm

Over-the-top satire in 2015. Now?

Math Suffers From White Supremacy, According to a Bill Gates-Funded Course - Newsweek

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An effort to portray traditional styles of teaching math as being non-inclusive is gaining steam, in part courtesy of the billionaire co-founder of Microsoft—as is mockery of the effort.

The latest example of the latter is a screenshot of the Equitable Math curriculum that is supported with a $1 million grant from the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation to The Education Trust Inc.

The screenshot making the rounds on Twitter is an image of the EquitableMath.org website that begins with: "White supremacy culture shows up in math classrooms when... The focus is on getting the 'right' answer."

That's followed by a paragraph that reads: "The concept of mathematics being purely objective is unequivocally false, and teaching it is even much less so. Upholding the idea that there are always right and wrong answers perpetuate objectivity as well as fear of open conflict."

The Equitable Math method of teaching consists of five "Strides." The first Stride, "Dismantling Racism in Mathematics," is the one getting the most attention from detractors.

The lesson calls for "educators to reflect on their own biases" and bills itself as "a collective approach to dismantling white supremacy." The Stride calls for teachers to avoid ideas that reinforce "paternalism" and "powerhoarding" and to continually challenge themselves to "incorporate antiracist practices" in their classrooms.

Too often, says the lesson plan, "students have to pull themselves up by their bootstraps and if they fail it is their fault." This approach is wrong because it "does not give room for the systemic reasons students fail."

Another Stride asks teachers to engage "instructional coaches" who have "the potential to scale their impact to a number of classrooms and students in order to dismantle the culture of white supremacy that exists within the math classroom."

The Equitable Math curriculum also borrows from the bestselling book White Fragility by Robin DiAngelo, where the author writes, "Whiteness is dynamic, relational, and operating at all times and by myriad levels. These processes and practices include basic rights, values, beliefs, perspectives and experiences purported to be commonly shared by all, but which are actually only consistently afforded to white people."

It's unknown how many schools have adopted the Equitable Math curriculum, but its website lists "partners" that include the Association of California School Administrators, Monterey County Office of Education, the Sacramento County Office of Education, Lawrence Hall of Science at UC Berkeley and several more that are mostly headquartered in California. Fox News, though, reported that the Oregon Department of Education has encouraged its teachers to register for the Equitable Math training, while a radio station in Seattle reported that a version of it is already functioning at schools there.


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13 Mar 2021, 10:14 pm

I really get the sense that our genes are trying to tear off the yoke of reason (Gad Saad's hinted at this plenty in recent interviews as well) and this is just how one group of people is going about edifying that impulse incrementally.


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13 Mar 2021, 10:39 pm

We are half way there I guess...


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14 Mar 2021, 8:48 am

To me, math curriculum is not favorable for young autistic minds.

Because they jump into the mechanics of doing it, without giving fundamentals/origins.

So, they leave out lots of detail.


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14 Mar 2021, 12:24 pm

Needed satire. I suppose.

If that sorta thing is actually happening in math class. And according that thing posted by Aspartofme it does seem to be.

But maybe I am being biased myself ...against this new fangled thinking being spoofed in the video. Maybe I should entertain the notion that math can ...racists? Or sexist? Or noninclusive?.

I can see how history can be taught with bias (Black history can fall through the cracks say).

But how can math be racist?

One and one equals two regardless of your skin color, gender, religion, or sexual orientation.



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14 Mar 2021, 1:38 pm

naturalplastic wrote:
But how can math be racist?

In the US, math is taught from a Western perspective.

Likely, every famous math person in a math book is a Western white man.

So, the idea is to make math cultural using numbers, geometries, abstractions that connect to people based on culture.


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14 Mar 2021, 2:51 pm

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naturalplastic wrote:
But how can math be racist?

In the US, math is taught from a Western perspective.

Likely, every famous math person in a math book is a Western white man.

So, the idea is to make math cultural using numbers, geometries, abstractions that connect to people based on culture.


"I dont get off on less than two"

Nonsense.

Math is "culturally" the same regardless of race, gender, sexual orientation, or like that.

Though I agree that you MIGHT have to tailor teaching it based upon whether or not the student is a stoner, or not.

Fast forward to around the four minute mark on this:



Or....just start at the beginning and enjoy the whole thing. :D



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14 Mar 2021, 3:33 pm

Satire may be "funny", but satire isn't reality. And satire based on a fictitious strawman situation doesn't magically become real or true just cos someone satirized it.

The funniest part was how completely disconnected from reality it was. Right about the time it praised all of the work equally and gave everyone an averaged grade split equally, I was in tears laughing. Most absurd nonsense I've ever seen. Go try that in real college, see what happens.

As for math being racist, it's not that Math as a construct and tool is racist, it's that the teaching methods and expectations can be racist. But that's an even broader topic that people don't want to talk about.



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14 Mar 2021, 5:21 pm

uncommondenominator wrote:
Satire may be "funny", but satire isn't reality. And satire based on a fictitious strawman situation doesn't magically become real or true just cos someone satirized it.

The funniest part was how completely disconnected from reality it was. Right about the time it praised all of the work equally and gave everyone an averaged grade split equally, I was in tears laughing. Most absurd nonsense I've ever seen. Go try that in real college, see what happens.

As for math being racist, it's not that Math as a construct and tool is racist, it's that the teaching methods and expectations can be racist. But that's an even broader topic that people don't want to talk about.

Satire exaggerate things and is a criticism as well. I view the part of the asian overweight guy as a crticism when someone doesn't earn something, because someone else qualifies better, that happens to not be a minority and they go out exclaiming "discrimination!" and that is very real.

I'm not sure why math is chosen here, but usually there is the idea of a gender gap in math and science and obviously you can tell what that leads to, specially from the SWJ's side. and while we're at it, there is something called it "the gender-equality paradox", which is interesting: https://www.theatlantic.com/science/arc ... em/553592/

It all comes down to freedom to choose whatever your passion is in a free and equal society, from there, you get "paradoxically" the gap.



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14 Mar 2021, 9:23 pm

binstein wrote:
Satire exaggerate things and is a criticism as well. I view the part of the asian overweight guy as a crticism when someone doesn't earn something, because someone else qualifies better, that happens to not be a minority and they go out exclaiming "discrimination!" and that is very real.


Well, for one thing, both the "most" and "least" qualified individuals here are BOTH minorities. Soooo, the idea that "one of them isn't a minority" doesn't really apply. Plus, in this case, the least qualified guy IS a minority, and didn't earn what he got, so it seems like the exact opposite of what you've described. And still, satire and criticism don't have to be based on an actual real thing. I can criticize and do a satire about a publix horse meat sandwich - doesn't mean such a thing exists.

Also, it sounds like you're trying to invent a hypothetical situation wherein you believe that minorities who don't actually earn things assume that non-minorities who do earn things only get those things cos "disrimination!" - which inherently paints the minorities complaining as lazy people who just want a free-bee rather than earn it, and will call "discrimination" rather than work hard.

In REAL college, results are what matter. If you think "FeElInGs" matter in a college course, in a college environment, you're liable to get yours hurt, cos I can promise you they don't. Undergrads hit that wall real hard when they come in from highschool. "ThIs mAkEs mE UnCoMfOrTaBlE!!" Well, you better figure out how to get over that, cos this is adult world now. I've yet to see a college that would admit someone that couldn't spell.

Does it EVER happen? Sure. About as often as horsemeat sandwiches (publix never made one to my knowledge, but horse meat has a weird history). Is it a prolific problem? Not really - kinda like horsemeat sandwiches (doesn't happen often).

binstein wrote:
I'm not sure why math is chosen here, but usually there is the idea of a gender gap in math and science and obviously you can tell what that leads to, specially from the SWJ's side. and while we're at it, there is something called it "the gender-equality paradox", which is interesting: https://www.theatlantic.com/science/arc ... em/553592/


I mentioned math cos others mentioned math. Education as a whole has its flaws. Some of them bigoted.

binstein wrote:
It all comes down to freedom to choose whatever your passion is in a free and equal society, from there, you get "paradoxically" the gap.


"Free" and "equal" are terms I'm not sure people understand as fully as they think they do...



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15 Mar 2021, 12:42 am

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"I dont get off on less than two"

Nonsense.

Math is "culturally" the same regardless of race, gender, sexual orientation, or like that.

One example of cultural differences is how some nations use the metric system, and some the imperial system.

This cultural difference likely affects students based on their familiarity and comfort with the different cultural math abstraction.

The overall idea is to introduce culturally-relevant abstractions to help raise understanding. For example, "African geometries" , not just Euclidean (Western white man) geometry.

Geometry From Africa
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geometry_From_Africa


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15 Mar 2021, 12:51 am

A right triangle is one where one of its angles is 90 degrees.

Whether or not the triangle is African or European is irrelevant.

The video is a satire. The teacher is cuckoo. She speaks in total non-sequitors.



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15 Mar 2021, 1:18 am

kraftiekortie wrote:
A right triangle is one where one of its angles is 90 degrees.

Whether or not the triangle is African or European is irrelevant.

The video is a satire. The teacher is cuckoo. She speaks in total non-sequitors.

"Degrees" is an abstract unit of measurement.

So, it can be defined as anything you want it to be.

Just like one person may measure a distance of 10 yards, another person taking the same measurement claims it's actually 9.144000m.

The physical distance is the same, yet, the abstract unit of measurement is defined differently, so when applied to the physical world, the results are different.

So, a right angle could have 0 degrees, and 5000 suns, wherein *sun* is a unit of measurement.


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