Donald Trump had to have cheated the election.
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Not an absolute majority of the U..S. population as a whole, but a majority of the voters in small rural states did vote for Trump. And, given how the electoral college works, that's what matters.
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In 2016 and 2024, a key factor was that Trump's opponents were women (in the case of 2024, a woman of color). And a woman being anything other than secretary or housewife is unacceptable to conservatives.
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I wish this were the case but so far no one's presented evidence to make that case, let alone conclusive evidence.
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Yeah, but, Musk did say without him, DJT wouldn't have won, so what does this mean??
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Georgia’s State Election Board investigated reports from multiple counties that residents received absentee ballot request forms that appeared partially completed and traced those mailers to America PAC, ultimately issuing a formal letter of reprimand and concluding the mailers violated state statutes barring third parties from sending pre-completed absentee ballot applications except in narrowly defined situations [5] [1] [2].
2. Why many outlets framed this as “voter fraud” — and why precision matters
Several outlets and commentators labeled the board’s finding as “voter fraud” or “election fraud” by America PAC, reflecting both the legal language Georgia used around prohibited ballot-document practices and the political stakes of mail-in voting [2] [3]. But the distinction between an administrative violation or a civil enforcement action and a criminal conviction is important; the sources describe a state board reprimand and county complaints rather than a final criminal judgment against Musk personally in the materials provided [4] [1].
3. The broader pattern: other legal scrutiny and campaign tactics linked to America PAC
The Georgia action fits into a pattern of scrutiny of America PAC activities: reporting and legal filings in Pennsylvania and elsewhere accused the PAC of pushing questionable voter incentives and data-gathering promotions (for example, a Philadelphia suit over a prize promotion tied to registrations) and federal and state probes have touched on PAC-targeting tactics during the 2024 cycle [2] [6]. Local reporting and national outlets have connected those practices to concerns about whether the PAC clearly labeled materials or followed state-specific absentee-ballot rules [2] [3].
4. Musk’s public posture on “voter fraud” and the irony reporters flagged
Multiple news organizations and analysis pieces pointed out the irony that Musk publicly amplifies claims about rampant mail-in fraud and pushes tighter voting rules while a PAC he funded ran a mail-out seen as violating the rules against pre-filled absentee forms [7] [8]. Fact-checkers also documented Musk and allies amplifying debunked or misleading claims about mail-in balloting, which critics say heightens the stakes when a PAC tied to him faces accusations of improper ballot-related mailings [9] [8].
5. What remains unresolved in the public record provided
The supplied reporting documents the Georgia reprimand and related suits and commentary but does not include a criminal prosecution of Musk himself, a full audit proving votes were fraudulently cast as a result of the mailers, or final judicial findings beyond administrative censure in Georgia; where allegations extend (for example, claims of foreign interference or technical manipulation) the sources note those claims remain unproven or contested and in some cases have prompted calls for further investigation [2] [10] [6]. The available reporting therefore supports saying America PAC committed illegal absentee-application conduct in Georgia according to the State Election Board, but it does not establish that Elon Musk personally was criminally convicted of voter fraud in the material provided
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It means it's a question worth looking into.
If T.Diddy and his criminal syndicate did steal the election that should be grounds to reverse every single thing he's done since 2024.
Ideally, they'd also put Elon in Ted Kaczynski's old cell.
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Did he cheat using gerrymandering? Of course he did. He's practically admitted it.
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Americans voted for a century of humiliation and Donald Trump is working hard to ensure they get it.
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If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the oppressing. —Malcolm X
Just a reminder: under international law, an occupying power has no right of self-defense, and those who are occupied have the right and duty to liberate themselves by any means possible.
What gets me is that all it took was one REALLY bad president in the White House for the whole world to decide that ALL Americans are just too evil and stupid to deserve empathy for being led down the garden path by a sociopathic conman.
Now I know how the Germans who didnt support Adolf Hitler must have felt.
Now I know how the Germans who didnt support Adolf Hitler must have felt.
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Now I know how the Germans who didnt support Adolf Hitler must have felt.
The problem is that Trump isn't the cause, he's the symptom.
Americans didn't change when Trump came into office, Trump came into power because he enabled your countrymen's worst impulses. They voted for a thieving monster with the hope that he would hurt their enemies more than he'd hurt them.
I'm not really sure it's even a lack of empathy that motivates the reaction. Trump says the thing a lot of Americans have always felt but their leadership was wise enough to not say out loud, now that American leadership is saying those things out loud America's "allies" have grown tired of dealing with a faux-ally that views them as subordinates to be scorned and exploited.
It turns out America First was the recipe for America Alone.
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If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the oppressing. —Malcolm X
Just a reminder: under international law, an occupying power has no right of self-defense, and those who are occupied have the right and duty to liberate themselves by any means possible.
Maybe Trump really is just a reflection on the Ugly American problem, but part of me also thinks our problems at home were created from trying to fix a world that didnt ask for for our help or frankly deserved any of it to begin with.
Like in regards to the Vietnam War. I think everyone seems to forget that it was the French who dragged us Americans into that war in the first place. They were the ones who had colonies in Vietnam that they were refusing to lose to the rise of communism. Then we get coerced into that war and basically take all the blame for the bad things that went on there by crazy hippies like Jane Fonda and then we lose the war and our own country goes on a downward spiral ever since, while the Frenchies continue to mock the "stoopid Americans" every time we have a school shooting or another pointless war.
Im smart enough to see that Trump was trouble from the start, but I'm actually starting to believe that some Americans voted for the guy simply out of desperation because we're tired of all the BS and they thought he would actually shake up a corrupted system.
But in reality Trump didnt "drain the swamp", he flooded it.
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If the world (or at least the place having the problem) didn't ask for your involvement, your involvement is probably not going to be understood as help.
You're right though, that the US shouldn't have sided with French imperialists against the Vietnamese people. But, it wasn't the French that ultimately motivated the Americans to get involved, it was the American 'domino theory' that convinced them to involve themselves in a problem that was none of their damn business to begin with.
The US involves itself in other people's problems for it's own interests, not humanitarian or other benevolent interests. This is why the rest of the world gets tired of American involvement in their problems.
Why wouldn't the rest of the world be tired of this situation? If some outside entity kept involving itself (often violently) in America's problems you'd be exhausted with that outside entity as well.
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If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the oppressing. —Malcolm X
Just a reminder: under international law, an occupying power has no right of self-defense, and those who are occupied have the right and duty to liberate themselves by any means possible.
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