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Fred2670
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11 Apr 2008, 5:35 am

How important is the name?

I have only daughters and one younger brother who recently informed me that he and his wife cannot have children. I was all finished procreating but I guess coming up with a male heir is on me now. I explained the situation to my oldest daughter, whos judgement I trust. She informed me that we do not live in China. Im not even sure exactly what that means. All I know for sure is that Im divorced three years and loving life again. At the same time I just asked two different women to marry me in the past 36 hours. I got a lousy no and maybe, but plan to ask another woman just as soon as I see here. Shes great but asking her over the phone seems wrong somehow.

Im beginning to wonder if its even worth it though
is this all a bad idea?


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11 Apr 2008, 6:30 am

Two marriage proposals in 36 hours? Did you use the same ring?



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11 Apr 2008, 7:48 am

Your daughter is correct. Figure it out, or ask her about it.



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11 Apr 2008, 9:46 am

If you keep trying to have a boy, you may get one, or may not. Will the girls be considered mistakes? What if the boy has the same problem as your brother? A woman is more than a baby making machine. She is a person. How will you feel if she gives up on having a boy before you do?
If your daughter thinks progeny is that important, she will make her husband take her last name.


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11 Apr 2008, 11:12 am

Fred2670 wrote:
I was all finished procreating but I guess coming up with a male heir is on me now.

Fred2670 wrote:
She informed me that we do not live in China.


Why she said that?

WIKIPEDIA wrote:
The one-child policy promotes couples having one child in rural and urban areas. The limit has been strongly enforced in urban areas, but the actual implementation varies from location to location. In most rural areas, families are allowed to have two children if the first child is female or disabled.


Usually:

In China: Female child = not so good. Male child = brilliant.

China =/= Western world

Western world: Female = fine. Male = fine.


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11 Apr 2008, 11:38 am

I think in today's Western's society passing one's genes (whether in a son or daughter) is more important than one's name.

We're no longer aristocratic.


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11 Apr 2008, 12:51 pm

WTF? Are you a royal family or something? Are you realizing about the psychological impact on your daughter when you say such thing to her , it's like you are telling her "I really wish if you were born as a boy, I was so unlucky having you" ---> how much nicely you try to say it , this what it would still means . You don't deserve to be a parent.

What if your tests produce more X sperma than Y? What if your next children are girls too ...then what you gonna do ? keep breeding till you get your first male heir?



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11 Apr 2008, 3:37 pm

monty wrote:
Your daughter is correct. Figure it out, or ask her about it.


Amen.

You know, one of your daughters always has the option of keeping her name.


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11 Apr 2008, 4:55 pm

Jainaday wrote:
You know, one of your daughters always
has the option of keeping her name.


Not good enough. The name has survived generations upon generations. One more doesnt do justice to it or those who went through God knows what to pass it on.

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WTF? Are you a royal family or something? Are you realizing about the psychological impact on your daughter when you say such thing to her , it's like you are telling her "I really wish if you were born as a boy, I was so unlucky having you" ---> how much nicely you try to say it , this what it would still means .


Nope no royal family here, just a strong need to fulfill the obligation to my Y chromosome. My daughter, who does have a tendency to speak her mind, is fine with it no problem there (NT) I didnt tell her that I wish she was a boy, and truthfully I dont. I just asked her how she would feel about a little brother and explained to her that it was something I was considering and why. I never expected her, as a female, to completely understand why something like this is important to me. (the life and death of a family tree is a mans responsibility) It was just something I decided to bounce off her because I love her, and like I said before, I respect her judgement. We talked about it again today and turns out she actually would like a little brother, but she said.. "what if he turns out gay" and then laughed so hard she about shot a cheerio out her nose. I think Im going to give it a shot. I found out that there are methods to increase the odds of a "Y" and contestant number three said yes (I knew she would) We want to make it legal this June. I guess that means Im engaged. Hoooray or something.

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You don't deserve to be a parent.


Thats just wrong


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12 Apr 2008, 12:19 pm

Fred2670 wrote:
. I think Im going to give it a shot. I found out that there are methods to increase the odds of a "Y" and contestant number three said yes (I knew she would) We want to make it legal this June. I guess that means Im engaged. Hoooray or something.


Something. Has the future Mrs. Mom read any of this?



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12 Apr 2008, 3:15 pm

I don't understand why you are so eager to have a boy heir....what if your boy chose to keep his mother's name instead? Your laws allow that

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your daughter can keep your name and your two daughter are already your genetic 'heirs'



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12 Apr 2008, 4:05 pm

your planning to bring (another) new life into the world because... of a word? :?

It must be a really nice sounding word!



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12 Apr 2008, 4:52 pm

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Something. Has the future Mrs. Mom read any of this?



yes, That.


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12 Apr 2008, 8:25 pm

Fred2670 wrote:
Jainaday wrote:
You know, one of your daughters always
has the option of keeping her name.


Not good enough. The name has survived generations upon generations. One more doesnt do justice to it or those who went through God knows what to pass it on.


Oh Christ, get over it. It's just an f-ing surname, a label, nothing more.


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12 Apr 2008, 9:23 pm

What a horrible reason to have a child...



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13 Apr 2008, 5:36 am

monty wrote:
Has the future Mrs. Mom read any of this?


Nope she has no idea about the AS
Sure she knows I have some strange habits
and mannerisms. She knows I can be clumsy

(the other night I tripped in the dark walking
down some stairs in a movie theatre. She was
just glad I didnt pull her down with me as I
rolled to the bottom)

Im trying hard to work things out. I will not let
AS hold me back. I may never be completely
normal but Im functioning the best I can and Im
getting better. I really believe that. I may tell her
at some point, but not now and maybe not ever.


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