Didn't sperm shot into my mom's vagina create me? Not a god?

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12 Apr 2008, 8:24 am

Why do people say that a god created us? I always thought that sperm shot into my mom's vagina and created me. Maybe I'm wrong though since I my memory doesn't allow me to remember any of this though.



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12 Apr 2008, 8:25 am

Yes, but who says that God didn't create the sperm, penis, egg and vagina?


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12 Apr 2008, 8:31 am

I don't know, maybe I sounded a little naive saying these things. I have mentioned this to people before and they laughed in my face, while I was completely serious. I hope that my aspergers doesn't make me come off as being strange.



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12 Apr 2008, 8:50 am

Maybe they laughed because of the context (were you already talking about God or religion or something related to Him/religion?) or maybe because of the words you used - maybe they were slightly embarassed because of the graphical imagery?

I don't know.


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12 Apr 2008, 9:34 am

pat666rick wrote:
Why do people say that a god created us? I always thought that sperm shot into my mom's vagina and created me. Maybe I'm wrong though since I my memory doesn't allow me to remember any of this though.


Obviously, your immediate creators were your parents. God is held responsible for the creation of mankind as a species, every animal mineral & vegetable, the Earth, and the universe. Maybe not directly, maybe not oin the way a painter creates paintings or a politician creates lies. Those who believe in God consider Him to be omnipotent and transcendant of our world. That is why you will never be able to dissect Him on a table and determine His evolutionary origin. One incredibly stupid WP poster offered that as his basis for atheism. :roll:


God certainly created sex, if that helps any.



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12 Apr 2008, 12:26 pm

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It only looks like you need a god for it if you don't know how it works.

Now, this is the second anabolic reaction in the metabolism of glucose, meaning that it has a nasty, little energy cost. This may seem to be a completely useless reaction, in and of itself. However, one of our primitive ancestors may have lived in an environment in which this reaction was useful in its own right. This cannot be known directly, but we can investigate its history by studying genes that are close to the one that produces this enzyme.

Interested?

http://www.ensembl.org/Homo_sapiens/gen ... 0000141959

It only looks like you need a god for it if you don't know how it works. Once you've gotten your feet wet, it's childishly simple.



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12 Apr 2008, 12:44 pm

Hmm. Looks like a bunch of Mardi Gras ribbons to me. Can science answer any question posed to it? If you were mature, you'd undersand that it's not all about knowledge, this God stuff. Knowledge and information can only take you as far as the inside of your own skull. God is certainly more than an information-dispenser.



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12 Apr 2008, 1:01 pm

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Hmm. Looks like a bunch of Mardi Gras ribbons to me.
It's also one of the number one most important proteins in your entire body. You would be dead in minutes if your cells were to suddenly stop coding it. Assuming you lasted a minute, anyway. It's really REALLY important.

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Can science answer any question posed to it?
Science is a process of investigation. Anyone can do it. Some scientists have just gotten a little further than others. Mendel was a scientist, even though his main profession was that of a monk. He didn't use any sophisticated machinery. He just applied what he knew in order to learn more about the natural world. It was an act of simple, innocent curiosity. There was no other agenda behind his actions. His actions helped to spark off one of the most important phases of the scientific revolution. He was not only a scientist, SM, but he bacame one of the most important scientists in history.

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If you were mature, you'd undersand that it's not all about knowledge, this God stuff.
I'm not ignorant, SM. Remember, I used to BE a Christian. Been there, done that, got the t-shirt. I know that you don't BELIEVE that it's possible for a person to actually understand Christianity and not be a Christian. Too bad. I did. I do. I'm not.

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Knowledge and information can only take you as far as the inside of your own skull.
I have difficulty becoming interested in going elsewhere. I used to be so schizoid that I was barely capable of two-way conversation.

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God is certainly more than an information-dispenser.
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Whatever.



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12 Apr 2008, 1:02 pm

Heres my thoughts on it

My Thoughts On Evolution



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12 Apr 2008, 1:28 pm

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Heres my thoughts on it

My Thoughts On Evolution


Technically, humans did not come from monkeys. Rather, they are both close relatives (sharing about 98% of DNA) and both have descended from a common ancenstor from the Pliocene era.

What happened was that the Homo Sapiens branch split away from the Ape branch (or something like that :roll: ) some million years ago and the human species was left to evolve on its own.

This is all information that I've gathered from science documentaries. I've always wanted to explain that to someone, and now was my chance, so I couldn't resist :D .



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12 Apr 2008, 1:36 pm

You know, I should have stuck with studying genetics and chemistry. It was a lot less...vexing. Back to my own skull I go, people. Bye-bye.



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12 Apr 2008, 1:46 pm

By the way...it's a pretty complicated gene. Here's how it goes:

ATGTGGCACCCGGGGGTCCCAGCTGACCATGGGGCAGGGGTTCTGCCCTGTGCAGTGGCC
GTGCCCCACACACCCTGACCGTGCAGGTGTCTGCAGAGCCCCAGGGCCTGAGAGTGGGCC
AGGGGGCCCAGCGCTGGGTAATGGAGCTGCCCCTCTGGATGGGGTCCCCGGGTATAGCTG
GAGAAATGAGCGACGGGCTCACAGCCTCTCCCGGGTGGCGGTCTTATTCTGCTGGCATCG
TGGGGCCCGTGGCCCCATCCTGTGGGAGCATCAGGCTCCTGAGCAGAATAAGTAGCTGGC
CCCGACCCCCCCACCCTGAAGGAGCCACCCGAGGAGGCAGAACTGCCATGAACTGCCATG
GGGATGTGCCCTGGGCTTATAGGATGTGGTGAAGTACACAGGACAGGGTCCTCGGTCTGG
CCTGTGCCATGGGGACCTTGGGCCTCAGTTTCCCCACCTTTGATGGAATACGGTGAAGTG
CACAGGACAGGGTCCTCCCCAGACTGGCCTGTGCCATGGGGCCTCGGGCCTCAGTTTCCC
CACCTTTGACTTAGAGGGAAGGTTGGATGGTGACTTCTTGTAACGATGGCCATGATTCTG
TGGCTGCGGCGGGGGCGCACCTGGAGGTTCTCACCGTCACTCTGTCCCGCAGCACACCTT
CGATGGCATCCTGCAGTGGGCCATCCAGAGCATGGCCCGTCCGGCGGCCCCCTTCCCCTC
CTGACCCCAGATGGCCGGGACATGCAGCTCTGATGAGAGAGTGCTGAGAAGGACACCTCC
TTCCTCAGTCCTGGAAGCCGGCCGGCTGGGATCAAGAAGGGGACAGCGCCACCTCTTGTC
AGTGCTCGGCTGTAAACAGCTCTGTGTTTCTGGGGACACCAGCCATCATGTGCCTGGAAA
TTAAACCCTGCCCCACTTCTCTACTCTGGAAGTCCCCGGGAGCCTCTCCTTGCCTGGTGA
CCTACTAAAAATATAAAAATTAGCTGGGTGTGGTGGTGGGTGCCTGTAATCCCAGCTACA
TGGGAGCCTGAGGCATGAGAATCACTTGAACTCGGGAGGTGGAGGTTGCAGTGAGCTGAG
ATTGCGCCACTGCACTCCAGTCTGGTCGGCAAGAGTGAGACTCCGTCTCAAAAACAAAAC
AAAACAAAAAAACCACATAACATAAATTTATCATCTCGACCACTTTTCAGTTCAGTGGCA
TTCACATCTCATGTAACCATTGCCACCACCATCTGCAGAGCTGTTCCAGCTTCCTGAATG
GAAACTCTGGCCCCATGAAACACTCACTCCCCATTCCCCTCCCAACCCCTGGCACCCTCC
ACTCTACTTTCTGTCTCTATGACTTCTCCAGGGACCTCATGGAAGTGGAATCACACAGTA
TCTGTCCTTTTGTGTCTGTCTTATTTTACTCAGCATGGTGGCCCCAAGGTTCATCCATGT
TGTAGCATGTGCCGAAATCTGCTTCCTTTTTTAAGGCTGAGTAATATTCCAGCACATGGA
TGGACTGCATTGTGTTCATCTATGCTTTCCTCAGCAGACACCTGGGTGCTTCCACCTTTT
GGCTGTTGTGAGTAATGCTGCTATGAATATGTGTGTGCAAATATCTGTGTGAGTCTTTGA
GTAAAATCGCTGGATCACATGGTAATTATATTTTTAATTTTTTGAAGAACTGCCATCCTG
TTTTCCACAGCAGCTACACCATTTCACATCCCCACCAACACTGCATGAGGGTTCCAGCCT
CCCCATATCCTTGAAACAATTACTATTTTCTGCATTTTTCTTTCTTTTCTTTTCTTCTTT
TTTTGAGACGGAGTTTCGCTCTTGCTGCCCAGGCTGCAGTGCAATGGCGCAGTCTCCACT
CACTGCAACCTCTGCCTCCTGGCTTCAAGTGATTCTCCTGCCTCAGCCTCCTGCATAGCT
GGGATTACAGGCGCACACCACCATGCCCGGCTAATTTTTGTATTTTTAGTAGAGACGGGG
TTTCACCATGTTGGCTGGGCTGGTCTCGAACTCCTGACCTCAGACCTCAGGTGATCCACC
CCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCACCCCACGGGCCTCCCAAAGTTCTGGGATTATGGGCGTGAGCCA
CTGCGCCCAGCCTGTGTTTTTCTTTTATAGTAGCCATCCTAATGGGTATGAGGTGGTACC
TCATTGTGGCTAAACCATGTACGTTTAAGAATTTACACACACACACACACACACACACAC
ACACACGTGATGAAGCTGTAAGAAAAGGGAGAGAATAATGACCCAAAATGTCAGCACAAG
GATGCCTCAGGGGTAGACACAGGTGTCTTCTTAGCGCCTTTTAGCCCACGCATATGTGCT
TGCGCAGTCTCTCGGTGTGTTTTCTAACATTTCACAATTAAATAAGGAGTAGTTGATATT
CACAGCCACCATTTCCACCGTATATGTAGAGAAAAATGCTCAAATCCTAGCGATCAGCCC
GCTGAGCTTTCACAAACCGAACACACCGTGCGGTCACGAGGCGGCTCTCCCGAACACCGG
CTCTGCACCCCCAGGGCCCGGGGAACCAAGACTTCCCCAAGGGCCCAGCAAAAGTGAGGG
AGGAGGGGAGGAAAGGAGGGAGAGGGAGGGAGGAGTGCTGGCTGCTTTCCGCCAGCGCCT
CGTTTGGGTTTCGCTCTGCTGAGGCCTGAAGGCGCCCTGAGGGCCCCTGGGGGGCAGGGA
GGGGCGGTGGCTGCGGCCGACAGCAAGGAACCTCCGGAGAAGCGAAGCCGGGCCAGACGT
GCCACCGGGGCCTCGGCGCTGGCGAAGGGGCGCGTGCGGCCGCACTGGGGCCAGCCCCGC
CCTGGTCCCCGGCCACATCCTCGAGACCACCGGGGTGGAGGGGGGGGTCTCACTGCTCAG
GGCCCGCGTGACATTGCACAGGTTTAGAAACGCACAGCGGGAAGGTGGCCCCGGCGGGCC
GAGGGCGCAGGATCCCTGCTCCGTCCAGGGTCCGTCCTGCGAGGAGGCGCCGGGGGCGGG
CCCGGGGCGGGGCGGGCGGAAGGCGCGCGCGGGGCGGGGCGGGGACGGCGACGCGGCGCA
GGCGGCGGGAGTGCGAGCTGGGCCCGTGTTTCGGCCGCCGCCATGGCCGCGGTGGACCTG
GAGAAGCTGCGGGCGTCGGGCGCGGGCAAGGCCATCGGCGTCCTGACCAGCGGCGGCGAC
GCGCAAGGTGGGCGGGGGTCCCGGCCGCGTCGCGGCGCAGGGGGTGGAGGGCGCCTCCGC
CCT

I can really understand how some people have trouble believing that this long, complicated gene came about without any need for direction. I understand. I really do. If you understand the basic chemistry behind it, though, it's really not that complicated. It really isn't. It all breaks down into relatively simple parts.



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12 Apr 2008, 4:29 pm

Griff wrote:
By the way...it's a pretty complicated gene. Here's how it goes:

ATGTGGCACCCGGGGGTCCCAGCTGACCATGGGGCAGGGGTTCTGCCCTGTGCAGTGGCC
GTGCCCCACACACCCTGACCGTGCAGGTGTCTGCAGAGCCCCAGGGCCTGAGAGTGGGCC
AGGGGGCCCAGCGCTGGGTAATGGAGCTGCCCCTCTGGATGGGGTCCCCGGGTATAGCTG
GAGAAATGAGCGACGGGCTCACAGCCTCTCCCGGGTGGCGGTCTTATTCTGCTGGCATCG
TGGGGCCCGTGGCCCCATCCTGTGGGAGCATCAGGCTCCTGAGCAGAATAAGTAGCTGGC
CCCGACCCCCCCACCCTGAAGGAGCCACCCGAGGAGGCAGAACTGCCATGAACTGCCATG
GGGATGTGCCCTGGGCTTATAGGATGTGGTGAAGTACACAGGACAGGGTCCTCGGTCTGG
CCTGTGCCATGGGGACCTTGGGCCTCAGTTTCCCCACCTTTGATGGAATACGGTGAAGTG
CACAGGACAGGGTCCTCCCCAGACTGGCCTGTGCCATGGGGCCTCGGGCCTCAGTTTCCC
CACCTTTGACTTAGAGGGAAGGTTGGATGGTGACTTCTTGTAACGATGGCCATGATTCTG
TGGCTGCGGCGGGGGCGCACCTGGAGGTTCTCACCGTCACTCTGTCCCGCAGCACACCTT
CGATGGCATCCTGCAGTGGGCCATCCAGAGCATGGCCCGTCCGGCGGCCCCCTTCCCCTC
CTGACCCCAGATGGCCGGGACATGCAGCTCTGATGAGAGAGTGCTGAGAAGGACACCTCC
TTCCTCAGTCCTGGAAGCCGGCCGGCTGGGATCAAGAAGGGGACAGCGCCACCTCTTGTC
AGTGCTCGGCTGTAAACAGCTCTGTGTTTCTGGGGACACCAGCCATCATGTGCCTGGAAA
TTAAACCCTGCCCCACTTCTCTACTCTGGAAGTCCCCGGGAGCCTCTCCTTGCCTGGTGA
CCTACTAAAAATATAAAAATTAGCTGGGTGTGGTGGTGGGTGCCTGTAATCCCAGCTACA
TGGGAGCCTGAGGCATGAGAATCACTTGAACTCGGGAGGTGGAGGTTGCAGTGAGCTGAG
ATTGCGCCACTGCACTCCAGTCTGGTCGGCAAGAGTGAGACTCCGTCTCAAAAACAAAAC
AAAACAAAAAAACCACATAACATAAATTTATCATCTCGACCACTTTTCAGTTCAGTGGCA
TTCACATCTCATGTAACCATTGCCACCACCATCTGCAGAGCTGTTCCAGCTTCCTGAATG
GAAACTCTGGCCCCATGAAACACTCACTCCCCATTCCCCTCCCAACCCCTGGCACCCTCC
ACTCTACTTTCTGTCTCTATGACTTCTCCAGGGACCTCATGGAAGTGGAATCACACAGTA
TCTGTCCTTTTGTGTCTGTCTTATTTTACTCAGCATGGTGGCCCCAAGGTTCATCCATGT
TGTAGCATGTGCCGAAATCTGCTTCCTTTTTTAAGGCTGAGTAATATTCCAGCACATGGA
TGGACTGCATTGTGTTCATCTATGCTTTCCTCAGCAGACACCTGGGTGCTTCCACCTTTT
GGCTGTTGTGAGTAATGCTGCTATGAATATGTGTGTGCAAATATCTGTGTGAGTCTTTGA
GTAAAATCGCTGGATCACATGGTAATTATATTTTTAATTTTTTGAAGAACTGCCATCCTG
TTTTCCACAGCAGCTACACCATTTCACATCCCCACCAACACTGCATGAGGGTTCCAGCCT
CCCCATATCCTTGAAACAATTACTATTTTCTGCATTTTTCTTTCTTTTCTTTTCTTCTTT
TTTTGAGACGGAGTTTCGCTCTTGCTGCCCAGGCTGCAGTGCAATGGCGCAGTCTCCACT
CACTGCAACCTCTGCCTCCTGGCTTCAAGTGATTCTCCTGCCTCAGCCTCCTGCATAGCT
GGGATTACAGGCGCACACCACCATGCCCGGCTAATTTTTGTATTTTTAGTAGAGACGGGG
TTTCACCATGTTGGCTGGGCTGGTCTCGAACTCCTGACCTCAGACCTCAGGTGATCCACC
CCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCACCCCACGGGCCTCCCAAAGTTCTGGGATTATGGGCGTGAGCCA
CTGCGCCCAGCCTGTGTTTTTCTTTTATAGTAGCCATCCTAATGGGTATGAGGTGGTACC
TCATTGTGGCTAAACCATGTACGTTTAAGAATTTACACACACACACACACACACACACAC
ACACACGTGATGAAGCTGTAAGAAAAGGGAGAGAATAATGACCCAAAATGTCAGCACAAG
GATGCCTCAGGGGTAGACACAGGTGTCTTCTTAGCGCCTTTTAGCCCACGCATATGTGCT
TGCGCAGTCTCTCGGTGTGTTTTCTAACATTTCACAATTAAATAAGGAGTAGTTGATATT
CACAGCCACCATTTCCACCGTATATGTAGAGAAAAATGCTCAAATCCTAGCGATCAGCCC
GCTGAGCTTTCACAAACCGAACACACCGTGCGGTCACGAGGCGGCTCTCCCGAACACCGG
CTCTGCACCCCCAGGGCCCGGGGAACCAAGACTTCCCCAAGGGCCCAGCAAAAGTGAGGG
AGGAGGGGAGGAAAGGAGGGAGAGGGAGGGAGGAGTGCTGGCTGCTTTCCGCCAGCGCCT
CGTTTGGGTTTCGCTCTGCTGAGGCCTGAAGGCGCCCTGAGGGCCCCTGGGGGGCAGGGA
GGGGCGGTGGCTGCGGCCGACAGCAAGGAACCTCCGGAGAAGCGAAGCCGGGCCAGACGT
GCCACCGGGGCCTCGGCGCTGGCGAAGGGGCGCGTGCGGCCGCACTGGGGCCAGCCCCGC
CCTGGTCCCCGGCCACATCCTCGAGACCACCGGGGTGGAGGGGGGGGTCTCACTGCTCAG
GGCCCGCGTGACATTGCACAGGTTTAGAAACGCACAGCGGGAAGGTGGCCCCGGCGGGCC
GAGGGCGCAGGATCCCTGCTCCGTCCAGGGTCCGTCCTGCGAGGAGGCGCCGGGGGCGGG
CCCGGGGCGGGGCGGGCGGAAGGCGCGCGCGGGGCGGGGCGGGGACGGCGACGCGGCGCA
GGCGGCGGGAGTGCGAGCTGGGCCCGTGTTTCGGCCGCCGCCATGGCCGCGGTGGACCTG
GAGAAGCTGCGGGCGTCGGGCGCGGGCAAGGCCATCGGCGTCCTGACCAGCGGCGGCGAC
GCGCAAGGTGGGCGGGGGTCCCGGCCGCGTCGCGGCGCAGGGGGTGGAGGGCGCCTCCGC
CCT

I can really understand how some people have trouble believing that this long, complicated gene came about without any need for direction. I understand. I really do. If you understand the basic chemistry behind it, though, it's really not that complicated. It really isn't. It all breaks down into relatively simple parts.


you know one of the funniest things i always hear people say is that "it works so god must have designed it". because they could never accept the simple "if it didn't work, you'd die so of course it'd have to work up until this point or else none of us would be here". it's amazing how many different ways a human can assume something is god just because they're intellectually lazy.



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12 Apr 2008, 5:22 pm

Well, you could argue that the universe itself is self-conscious and thus the laws of physics (of which a large part is yet to be discovered) are God and the way He interacts with us.


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12 Apr 2008, 8:13 pm

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Well, you could argue that the universe itself is self-conscious and thus the laws of physics (of which a large part is yet to be discovered) are God and the way He interacts with us.



possibly. but it still doesn't prove christianity, judaism, islam, or any other theistic religion. just proves the potential for there to be a deity.


which is one thing i find hilarious...when somenoe pulls a potential theory out of their ass just to try and justify their own religion within the potential existence. all the while completely ignoring their own texts and the rest of everything else that hasn't been proven.



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12 Apr 2008, 8:19 pm

I find it funny how creationists claim that life must be designed by some divine engineer when living things are so jury-rigged it's funny. Evolution has no goal, it is merely the result of how changes in environments and ecosystems affect the genetics of populations, this is why organisms are so jury-rigged.

A good example of this evolutionary jury-rigging is the vertebrate eye. the retina's nerves and blood vessels are actually in front of the rod and cone cells that detect light (if you stare at a clear blue sky you may be able to see very faint fuzzy white dots zig-zagging around, these are your white blood cells in the blood vessels of the retina), this very odd arrangement stems from how the vertebrate brain and spinal cord originated, since the eyes are actually specialized outgrowths of the brain.

The worm-like ancestor of vertebrates probably had several simple nerve cords running along the back that developed in the embryo from ectoderm (embryonic skin) cells that migrated inward. At the front end of each cord there may have been a ganglion, a cluster of nerves that "analyze" data for the senses in a rudimentary way. Some of these ganglia would of had photo-receptor cells, precursors of the rods and cones in our eyes.

Our wormy ancestors then split into two lineages. One lineage stayed on the sea bottom, eventually becoming the echinoderms (starfish, sea urchins, etc). The other branch became swimming filter-feeders, and this put selectionary pressure for better senses and muscle coordination, which in turn required a better nervous system. The several nerve cords that developed from embryonic skin cells migrating inward became a single nerve cord that developed from embryonic skin that pinched off into a hollow tube. Instead of several ganglia there was a single brain segmented into 3 parts, the forebrain for smell, the midbrain for light information, and the hindbrain for vibrations (including sound waves), balance, and coordination.

The photo-receptor cells ended up on the inside of the brain. As long as out ancestors were tiny and transparent (like some tiny fish are today) this didn't matter, but as these proto-fish became larger extensions of the brain developed to keep the photo-receptor cells at the surface. These extensions of the brain became the eyes. Our rods and cones are still covered by a thin layer of brain, the nerves and blood vessels of the retina.


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