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Disgusting and Sinful or just plain human?
Poll ended at 15 Sep 2008, 5:11 am
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03 Sep 2008, 5:11 am

I asked a christian girl this, I mentioned along the lines of disgusting, sinful creatures. She herself wouldn't hold that view but said it was perimissable. However should it even be permissable, I being agnostic, find that to be a horrible view, even if she did say she wouldn't hold such a view but just thinking of it as permissable gives me just one more reason to turn to christianity. What do you think? Are we disgusting and sinful or are we simply "human"? I would like to know your take on this.



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03 Sep 2008, 10:45 am

It all depends on which Christians you ask.



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03 Sep 2008, 10:52 am

For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God; Romans 3:23

Adam Clarke: For all have sinned : - And consequently are equally helpless and guilty; and, as God is no respecter of persons, all human creatures being equally his offspring, and there being no reason why one should be preferred before another, therefore his endless mercy has embraced All.
And come short of the glory of God - These words have been variously translated. Failed of attaining the glory of God: Have not been able to bring glory to God: Stand in need of the glory, that is, the mercy of God. The simple meaning seems to be this: that all have sinned, and none can enjoy Gods glory but they that are holy; consequently both Jews and Gentiles have failed in their endeavors to attain it, as, by the works of any law, no human being can be justified.



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03 Sep 2008, 11:24 am

Or, as Jimmy Buffet put it:

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I was talking to my friend Desdemona the other day (she runs the space station and bake shop down near boomtown). She told me that human beings are flawed individuals - the cosmic bakers took us out of the oven a little too early, and that's the reason were as crazy as we are - and I believe it!



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03 Sep 2008, 11:49 am

humans are creatures made on God's image (the design was based on himself [people have different interpretations of this]) and who became corrupted by the fallen angel's influence. He still loves us, and wants us to reject that evil influence

Humans are not inherently evil, but are sinners who need forgiveness



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04 Sep 2008, 4:37 am

That raises a question. This fallen angel. Was he created by god and if so why did he indeed became corrupted if indeed this fallen angel was pure (I mean made by god, shouldn't it be pure or good).



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04 Sep 2008, 4:47 am

Humans are born 'evil' and when growing up, they need to learn 'goodness'.


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04 Sep 2008, 5:15 am

greenblue wrote:
Humans are born 'evil' and when growing up, they need to learn 'goodness'.


never talk in certainties in an arguement, it makes you arrogant

are you religious???

Do you believe in god? if yes, do you believe you had a more badder past than other people??? (remember the IS people who starve to death)

cos if you do believve in god you would believe god knew how to truely judge good and bad people, fairly, so why the hell do you support your religion? religion is tied to law and government, and the 2 have been posing as a god like figure to justify THEIR punishment of THEIR enemies, watch a gangster film, ever realised when and the bad guys started killing each other cos crime in THEIR areas are BAD for BUSINESS? it is exactly the same with government, the government expects you to trust it, but humans always have flaws, their will always be abuse of power in this way



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04 Sep 2008, 5:17 am

iamnotaparakeet wrote:
For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God; Romans 3:23

Adam Clarke: For all have sinned : - And consequently are equally helpless and guilty; and, as God is no respecter of persons, all human creatures being equally his offspring, and there being no reason why one should be preferred before another, therefore his endless mercy has embraced All.
And come short of the glory of God - These words have been variously translated. Failed of attaining the glory of God: Have not been able to bring glory to God: Stand in need of the glory, that is, the mercy of God. The simple meaning seems to be this: that all have sinned, and none can enjoy Gods glory but they that are holy; consequently both Jews and Gentiles have failed in their endeavors to attain it, as, by the works of any law, no human being can be justified.


Before Christ came no man could be forgiven, he ran a tight ship.. but even back then he had favorites, such as Noah, or Moses.. a couple cool cats.. 8)
But through Jesus he wields a greater and stonger love. . because before jesus it was hard to love a god so unmerciful and cruel.. so the alien god became a human being and showed them how to be forgiveable.. seriously get the story straight eh? :afro:



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04 Sep 2008, 5:20 am

ShawnWilliam wrote:
iamnotaparakeet wrote:
For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God; Romans 3:23

Adam Clarke: For all have sinned : - And consequently are equally helpless and guilty; and, as God is no respecter of persons, all human creatures being equally his offspring, and there being no reason why one should be preferred before another, therefore his endless mercy has embraced All.
And come short of the glory of God - These words have been variously translated. Failed of attaining the glory of God: Have not been able to bring glory to God: Stand in need of the glory, that is, the mercy of God. The simple meaning seems to be this: that all have sinned, and none can enjoy Gods glory but they that are holy; consequently both Jews and Gentiles have failed in their endeavors to attain it, as, by the works of any law, no human being can be justified.


Before Christ came no man could be forgiven, he ran a tight ship.. but even back then he had favorites, such as Noah, or Moses.. a couple cool cats.. 8)
But through Jesus he wields a greater and stonger love. . because before jesus it was hard to love a god so unmerciful and cruel.. so the alien god became a human being and showed them how to be forgiveable.. seriously get the story straight eh? :afro:


I like your take on it better, shawn. Excellent. :)



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04 Sep 2008, 5:30 am

Betterclassed wrote:
ShawnWilliam wrote:
iamnotaparakeet wrote:
For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God; Romans 3:23

Adam Clarke: For all have sinned : - And consequently are equally helpless and guilty; and, as God is no respecter of persons, all human creatures being equally his offspring, and there being no reason why one should be preferred before another, therefore his endless mercy has embraced All.
And come short of the glory of God - These words have been variously translated. Failed of attaining the glory of God: Have not been able to bring glory to God: Stand in need of the glory, that is, the mercy of God. The simple meaning seems to be this: that all have sinned, and none can enjoy Gods glory but they that are holy; consequently both Jews and Gentiles have failed in their endeavors to attain it, as, by the works of any law, no human being can be justified.


Before Christ came no man could be forgiven, he ran a tight ship.. but even back then he had favorites, such as Noah, or Moses.. a couple cool cats.. 8)
But through Jesus he wields a greater and stonger love. . because before jesus it was hard to love a god so unmerciful and cruel.. so the alien god became a human being and showed them how to be forgiveable.. seriously get the story straight eh? :afro:


I like your take on it better, shawn. Excellent. :)


Oh well any time mate :)



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04 Sep 2008, 7:11 am

Alien god? WTF are you smoking?



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04 Sep 2008, 7:13 am

xyzyxx wrote:
humans are creatures made on God's image (the design was based on himself [people have different interpretations of this]) and who became corrupted by the fallen angel's influence. He still loves us, and wants us to reject that evil influence

Humans are not inherently evil, but are sinners who need forgiveness


You'd be more correct doctrinally.



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04 Sep 2008, 7:47 am

iamnotaparakeet wrote:
Alien god? WTF are you smoking?


your brains apparently :lol:



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04 Sep 2008, 7:52 am

iamnotaparakeet wrote:
xyzyxx wrote:
humans are creatures made on God's image (the design was based on himself [people have different interpretations of this]) and who became corrupted by the fallen angel's influence. He still loves us, and wants us to reject that evil influence

Humans are not inherently evil, but are sinners who need forgiveness


You'd be more correct doctrinally.


Actually I dont know where he got the fallen angel crap, none of that is in the bible.. It hardly says anything about Lucifer, so no, he would not be more correct doctrinally. Especially when he says 'peopl have different interpretations of this'.. :lol:



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04 Sep 2008, 8:11 am

greenblue wrote:
Humans are born 'evil' and when growing up, they need to learn 'goodness'.


I think it is usually the opposite. Most infants are quite loving and good, although they learn other behaviors from older people.