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Who was behind 9-11?
Al-Qaeda 57%  57%  [ 57 ]
The illuminati / global elite / inside job 30%  30%  [ 30 ]
Iraq 2%  2%  [ 2 ]
History_of_psychiatry's butt 11%  11%  [ 11 ]
Total votes : 100

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25 Nov 2008, 5:24 am

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And then again there's the current financial crisis to indicate how wonderfully competent the government has been. After all, how may screw-ups does it take for people to wonder what the hell is going on?

If the government is so inept, how did they pull off such an elaborate conspiracy as the one claimed by 9/11 inside job adherents?


Then there's the thought that all that "ineptness" was no accident.


Well that's just barely a thought, but don't be so coy, do you think it's a plausible thought or not? Personally I think perfectly faked ineptness is a good deal less likely than actual ineptness.



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25 Nov 2008, 6:34 am

ducasse wrote:
Sand wrote:
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And then again there's the current financial crisis to indicate how wonderfully competent the government has been. After all, how may screw-ups does it take for people to wonder what the hell is going on?

If the government is so inept, how did they pull off such an elaborate conspiracy as the one claimed by 9/11 inside job adherents?


Then there's the thought that all that "ineptness" was no accident.


Well that's just barely a thought, but don't be so coy, do you think it's a plausible thought or not? Personally I think perfectly faked ineptness is a good deal less likely than actual ineptness.


It depends upon the goals the leaders had in mind. No doubt there was a good deal of stupidity in the Bush regime but it takes great effort and capability and funding to assume the leadership of a country. They can't all have been that dumb.



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25 Nov 2008, 7:22 am

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I personally think the global elite was the cause behind the 9-11 attacks. They had too much to gain from them. Of course you can all scoff at my "conspiracy theories".


Except the destruction of the World Trade Centre would hinder Capitalism and the ensuing war would ultimately render the Republican Party unpalatable to many. If it was a conspiracy, it was an extremely poorly thought out one. Now if I were to give into my demons and proceed to plot to deceive, ensnare and seduce you all....

Maybe the Illuminati have infiltrated both Al-Qaeda and the Pentagon. Unbeknownst to them, they have been infiltrated by the Freemasons, who have been infiltrated by the Rosicrucians, who have been infiltrated by Opus Dei, who have been infiltrated by the Jesuits, who have been infiltrated by the Dominicans, who have been infiltrated by Franciscans, who have been infiltrated by Templars, who have been subverted by Hospitalers, who have been hypnotised by Satanists, who have been infiltrated by Zoroastrian Magi, in turn manipulated by one extremely deep cover Evangelical Protestant, who has been co-opted by a small group of former KGB officers, who have been infiltrated by a rogue Central Intelligence Agent, who is in the pay of the Gallifreyan Celestial Intervention Agency (much more competent) who have been infiltrated by Faction Paradox.... They have all been blinded and manipulated by the principalities, powers, and the rulers of this dark age.

The Freemasons are manipulating history - they caused the French Revolution!

Lies sent by the Devil to demonise and divide a paranoid humanity so that you will embrace an apparently benevolent protector for security only to find yourselves enthralled by the Antichrist.

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25 Nov 2008, 7:51 am

Since the Bush crew have been screwing up everything maybe they could manage to screw up a conspiracy too.



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25 Nov 2008, 1:25 pm

Sand wrote:
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And then again there's the current financial crisis to indicate how wonderfully competent the government has been. After all, how may screw-ups does it take for people to wonder what the hell is going on?

If the government is so inept, how did they pull off such an elaborate conspiracy as the one claimed by 9/11 inside job adherents?


Then there's the thought that all that "ineptness" was no accident.

Somewhere, right now, Occam is slitting his wrists with that fancy razor of his.


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25 Nov 2008, 1:48 pm

Didn't OBL claim reponsibility & take credit for 9/11 in one of his terror tapes?



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25 Nov 2008, 2:16 pm

Orwell wrote:
Sand wrote:
And then again there's the current financial crisis to indicate how wonderfully competent the government has been. After all, how may screw-ups does it take for people to wonder what the hell is going on?

If the government is so inept, how did they pull off such an elaborate conspiracy as the one claimed by 9/11 inside job adherents?


If the conspiracy had gone right, we wouldn't be sat here discussing this now. We'd all believe that 9-11 was caused, in the words of South Park, by "a bunch of pissed off Muslims".

I reckon it was a conspiracy. It looked exactly like a controlled demolition, and then a third tower comes down when nothing even hit it.

Arounds 50% of Americans think Iraq was involved in 9-11. BS! It was actually the Saudis and George Bush. And PS, the Taliban had even less to do with it.


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25 Nov 2008, 2:29 pm

Why haven't we heard from the Illuminati or the NWO about 9/11 and how they were behind everything? Conspiracy people, help me out here.



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25 Nov 2008, 2:39 pm

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Why haven't we heard from the Illuminati or the NWO about 9/11 and how they were behind everything? Conspiracy people, help me out here.


Uh because the entire point of doing something horrible for profit and blaming it on someone else is so you're not the one charged with murder?

As for illuminati or NWO or whatever (if they exist)... the entire point of a secret society is for it to be a secret if you tell everyone about who you are and what your doing that kind of defeats the purpose.

As for OBL taking credit.. yeah he did so did 15 other terrorist organizations and a schizophrenic janitor in Alabama. Religious cults need publicity like that. The one's that can pull off the biggest stunts get the most followers and consequently most power.

They have to replace their suicide bombers somehow you know.


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25 Nov 2008, 2:55 pm

How does the average person come to know of these secret societies? If they really were secret, no one at all would know they exist and their names would be on no one's lips. Why is it that we know just enough to become tantalized?



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25 Nov 2008, 3:16 pm

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How does the average person come to know of these secret societies? If they really were secret, no one at all would know they exist and their names would be on no one's lips. Why is it that we know just enough to become tantalized?

To give you something to speculate and become suspicious about while the rest of us go on about our business un-noticed and unimpeded.


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25 Nov 2008, 3:20 pm

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How does the average person come to know of these secret societies? If they really were secret, no one at all would know they exist and their names would be on no one's lips. Why is it that we know just enough to become tantalized?


Because the ones where people have evidence of their existence are no longer secret. The NSA (National Security Agency) was a secret society for decades where people had heard of it but no one could prove it existed as it didn't show up on any budgets and talking about it was treason. So enough information had been leaked for people to know its name and a general idea of what it did but without verifiable evidence anyone claiming to know about it or that it existed was labeled a crackpot conspiracy theorist.

They were derided and made fun of and viciously verbally attacked for years.

Then the NSA's existence was officially revealed and now their actions are debated in congress and the press.


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25 Nov 2008, 8:21 pm

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Attention 911 Conspiracy Theorists: If you finally have all of your fish in one barrel, then why do you keep shooting into the sky?

:lmao: Best. Sig. EVAR.


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26 Nov 2008, 1:45 am

65% believe alCIAda was responsible for 911?

Bunch of conspiracy theorists!



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26 Nov 2008, 3:41 pm

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Trust me ... the NWO had nothing to do with 911. We were already luring Senator Ryan into sex clubs and encouraging him to bring his wife Jeri while simultaneously impressing upon her the concepts of traditional family values so that she would end up filing for divorce and the media would pick up on the backstory and a scandal would explode around Senator Ryan so that he would have to leave office and Mr. Obama would take his place and eventually be elected president over John McGeezer and Caribou Barbie ...

... and the rest is history.


Ah, the ways of the New World Order...


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26 Nov 2008, 7:04 pm

THE INTERNATIONAL FRIENDS wrote:
"This democracy has perfected for itself a fabrication of its inconceivable enemy: terrorism. In effect, this democracy wants to be judged more by its enemies than by its results. The history of terrorism is written by the State, and is therefore very educational. The masses of spectators can never by allowed to know everything about terrorism, but they must nevertheless be told enough so that they are persuaded that - compared to terrorism - everything else appears to be acceptable and in every case more rational and more democratic [... ] The secret dominates this world, and primarily as the secret of domination." - Guy Debord, Commentaries on the Society of the Spectacle, 1988.

"It remains to be said that people are naturally changeable and it is easy to persuade them of something, but it is difficult to strengthen their degree of persuasion; it is necessary that things be so arranged that, if there are those who do not believe, one can persuade them by the use of force." Machiavelli, The Prince.

In this society that is in an advanced state of decomposition, terrorism has proved itself to be a means by which power strengthens itself or simply maintains its existence.

The practice of terrorism is both modern and archaic. It responds to precise requirements when public order is menaced by social forces that appear to be uncontrollable. Without going as far back a Nero - who, in 64 A.D., burned all of Rome so as to persecute the Christians who, claiming equality for all before God, menaced the foundations of Roman civilization (i.e. slavery) - we can recall that terrorist strikes planned in high places have marked the entire history of the 20th century. And these strike haven't laced originality as far as form is concerned, for they always have the same purpose. From the direct manipulation of Russian terrorists by the Okhrana the Czar's secret police, at the beginning of the 20th century, to the kidnapping and assassination of Aldo Moro in 1978 by the teleguided Red Brigades; from the burning of the Reichstag (staged by Goebbels in 1933) to the police bombs in the Piazza Fontana in Milan in 1969 - all the acts of spectacular terrorism have as their common objectives the silencing of the opposition, the justification of the imprisonment or killing of dissidents, the rallying of frightened populations to existing power, and the consolidation of generalized oppression.

All of these operations spread fear, feed unverifiable rumors, sustain the use of paid informants, train their abused spectators in the most servile behaviors, and extend the special powers devoted to the services of control and surveillance. In each of the cases cited above, the "guilty parties" were evidently those who were the easiest to give up to the furious public, whose responses had already been conditioned. The "mysteries" that nevertheless enveloped each of these acts of war were also and simultaneously presented as impenetrable, that is, until changes in the administration of affairs made it possible to reveal the plausible nature of the truly guilty parties to the mystified public, but, as one says, after it was too late.

The strategic act of terror of 11 September 2001, to which the enslaved media pompously refer to as "the events" so as to thicken the plot, is also a "mystery" [full of] contradictory official declarations, aberrant proofs of guilt, pre-selected media rumors, repeated lies, untestable hypotheses, furies who avenge but are unknown, suspects who are not responsible [endnote 1], mass arrests (public and secret), varieties of military mobilizations, increases in the illegal use of surveillance, [and] fraudulent stock market transactions. But the reviled act encapsulates the direction of the irresistible march of domination, which is present in all the parties of the world of the commodity.

The owners of this world, speaking with the unanimous voice of all of their political representatives, miraculously find within these attacks the justification that guarantees the replication of all their currently existing enterprises, which don't fail to take in all the domains that concern them: from genetic manipulation to industrial war, from the mastery of resources (notably energy) to the falsification of food, [and] from the re-development of land to the management of the living. Already, as the result of this surprising gift from the skies, fear - that ancient leaven in the bread of servitude (commodity servitude, too, for fear sells) - has taken over. For the owners of this world, it is now a question not only of violently dispersing a contestatory movement that seems to break out everywhere (Cincinnati, Gotenborg, Genoa, Addis-Adeba, Kabul), but also, and even more profoundly, of assuring the total voluntary submission of all citizens by increasing consumption ("a patriotic act") and by reinforcing at the global level illegal police tactics that accompany these urgent measures. The war against Afghanistan is part of this larger action; it prolongs it.

With all our international friends, we call for the complete opposition to this war. Because it is also against us that this war is being fought. Its true aim is "the crushing of all opposition, even the most benign, until the total colonization of all aspects of life is everywhere on the entire surface of the earth." It is necessary to expect that "where a sign of a dissidence is found, a terrorist will also be discovered."

"If this world - which silently kills hundreds of thousands of Africans each year and relegates the youths in the suburbs (which resemble camps) to a life that is an interminable and deadly bore - chooses to bomb the Afghans on prime-time TV so that it can forget about the prior crisis and pursue its opponents, we must do something. We must show this world - using all possible means, including demonstrations, texts, radio interventions and speeches in the street - that it cannot massacre its own population."

"This world is at the mercy of an indiscretion, and 'they' come to us to furnish the occasion. It's up to us to seize it."


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