If a girl is raped and pregnant, should she keep the baby?

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23 Sep 2011, 9:26 pm

vitasia is a good brand, they make cup style and bulk where you buy the noodles and jars of flavouring sauce (i usually tone down the flavouring sauce a little and supply a bit of paprika and chili myself)


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23 Sep 2011, 10:37 pm

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Abortion isn't a matter of personal choice, it is a matter of life and death. The pro-abortion people try to change the subject to personal choice, because they know the instant the real issue gets discussed, they lose.


Whether I commit suicide or not is a matter of life and death. It is also a matter of personal choice. The two issues are not mutually exclusive. A woman had the right to defend herself against any threat to her life or health. Being pregnant is inherently life threatening. If a woman will not willing bear the risk of going to term, she should be free to take the less risky alternative -- to wit early abortion.


You do realize many of these "life-threatening issues" can be handled these days simply with good hygene, regular checkups, etc. We aren't living in the middle ages you know.

Just wanted to repeat this claim so that everyone can see, once again, what ignorant, piggish attitudes you display.


Is Inayusha pro-life enough for have the state pay for pre-natal care?
8O :cry: :lol: :wink: :roll:
You do realize there are doctors out there that volunteer their time to give pre-natal care free of charge. There are also church groups that would assist as well.

*snort*
'Yasha would go beyond requiring the state to pay for prenatal care: he'd require doctors to provide the care for free.

Tell me, 'Yasha, should my laboratory also provide prenatal laboratory testing for free? Not just the labor of the blood draws and blood processing, but the (very expensive) reagents for processing the blood? The specifically formulated agars used to screen for certain bacterial infections? The risk to laboratory staff of acquiring blood-borne diseases from handling these specimens?

'Yasha apparently not only thinks that only lazy, careless sluts get pregnant by accident, but that only lazy, dirty, careless sluts with no social network lack prenatal care and/or suffer and/or die from pregnancy and/or childbirth.



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23 Sep 2011, 10:38 pm

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ramen


On the subject of ramen, what's everyone's favourite kinds? I like hot chili. Any brands that are especially good? Without glutamate would be preferred.

do you mean, 'without gluten'?



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23 Sep 2011, 10:40 pm

Oodain wrote:
vitasia is a good brand, they make cup style and bulk where you buy the noodles and jars of flavouring sauce (i usually tone down the flavouring sauce a little and supply a bit of paprika and chili myself)


adding cilantro , green onion and sometimes an egg make a huge difference dressing the stuff up.


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23 Sep 2011, 10:42 pm

LKL wrote:
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ramen


On the subject of ramen, what's everyone's favourite kinds? I like hot chili. Any brands that are especially good? Without glutamate would be preferred.

do you mean, 'without gluten'?

I think he means MSG it is mistake to leave it out because God put it there for a reason.
If he meant sans Gluten the is a surprisingly good Pho in a packet (rice noodles no gluten)


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23 Sep 2011, 10:50 pm

There's a brand available here that makes buckwheat noodles - can't remember the name, though.

What does every one think of the new semi-cooked noodles that one basically steams in the microwave? Annie Chung brand, I think? I like the peanut sauce, but I think I'll stick with boiling my own noodles because I can control the consistency better. I like mine pretty al-dente.



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23 Sep 2011, 10:51 pm

LKL wrote:
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Oodain wrote:
ramen


On the subject of ramen, what's everyone's favourite kinds? I like hot chili. Any brands that are especially good? Without glutamate would be preferred.

do you mean, 'without gluten'?


No, not gluten... monosodium glutamate, or its various other names. It's very unhealthy.



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23 Sep 2011, 10:57 pm

LKL wrote:
There's a brand available here that makes buckwheat noodles - can't remember the name, though.

What does every one think of the new semi-cooked noodles that one basically steams in the microwave? Annie Chung brand, I think? I like the peanut sauce, but I think I'll stick with boiling my own noodles because I can control the consistency better. I like mine pretty al-dente.


Buckwheat noodles sound pretty good. Need to find that.

I prefer a bit al dente, too. I haven't tried that "fresh" type, though...

Okay, going to bed for noodle dreams, in a short while, now, I guess... goodnight.



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23 Sep 2011, 10:59 pm

Beauty_pact wrote:
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Oodain wrote:
ramen


On the subject of ramen, what's everyone's favourite kinds? I like hot chili. Any brands that are especially good? Without glutamate would be preferred.

do you mean, 'without gluten'?


No, not gluten... monosodium glutamate, or its various other names. It's very unhealthy.


Lies and falsehoods take it back :wink:
seriously the stuff is awesome and we have specialized taste buds for it
they make it from seaweed what could be wrong?


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23 Sep 2011, 11:50 pm

Top Ramen. 'Nuff said.



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24 Sep 2011, 12:39 am

I don't like Ramen.

Gluten is only intrinsically unhealthy to you if you have Celiac disease, and the odds for that are rather low... Gluten is actually just your everyday protein, not any more evil than most other proteins in food. I just read something about it this week...

...Oh here it is:

http://skepchick.org/2011/09/lets-talk-about-gluten

We are talking about a vegetarian protein that makes bread have its good taste. Sandwiches wouldn't be Sandwiches without this. Same with cookies. Just don't over eat your bread and you'll be fine. The only ones that would like you to believe that gluten is unhealthy are companies trying to make extra buck using "gluten-free" as advertising.


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24 Sep 2011, 3:06 am

MSG, or monosodium glutamate, is not the same thing as gluten; that's why I was corrected about the previous poster's meaning. It triggers the 'savory' or 'umami' taste receptors on our tongues, something which was discovered only within the last couple of decades (?) by the Japanese, and Chinese fast food is notorious for being heavily laden with the stuff. There is debate about whether or not artificially produced MSG is inherently unhealthy.



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24 Sep 2011, 8:02 am

@Vex,

Celiac is NOT rare - it is estimated that 1 in 133 people have celiac (many undiagnosed), and the rate is higher in some ethnic groups. It is also estimated that up to 25% of the population has a gluten intolerance of some kind (meaning no celiac - the villi in the small intestine don't get destroyed - but that gluten causes negative reactions in sensitive individuals).
http://www.uchospitals.edu/pdf/uch_007937.pdf
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15825128
http://supplementalscience.wordpress.co ... c-disease/

There is a misconception that celiac and/or gluten intolerance are rare conditions - this is not the case. This misconception is greatest here in the Americas. I read somewhere (sorry, don't remember where) that it takes only months to get a proper diagnosis of celiac in Europe. Here in North America, it takes years. Why do you suppose that is? Doctors running around saying that it's a rare conditions are certainly not helping matters any.

I can tell you from my own personal experience that gluten has been very, very bad for me. I have not been diagnosed with celiac, and I never will because my doctor didn't do any tests for it before I decided to do an elimination diet to see if it would help my health (I saw a few doctors - none of them had any ideas. They just wanted to give me pills). Now, the only way I can get tested is to go back on gluten for a minimum of 3 months - I would never do that to myself. I get sick from a few crumbs of bread now.

Going gluten free has eliminated my symptoms of IBS (bullsh*t diagnosis if ever there was one), eliminated my migraines and associated extended periods of vomiting, stomach aches, acne, skin rashes, and raised my energy level.

Also, the talk about going on a gluten free diet being too hard and too restrictive etc. is garbage. Living a life where you feel like crap every day is much more restrictive - I can assure you of that. And tell me, what's wrong with avoiding highly processes, packaged foods? What's wrong with preparing meals yourself from whole foods?

PS - I discovered I had a problem with gluten before the "gluten free craze" began. One consequence of the "gluten free craze" may be more people discovering they have issues with gluten. In my mind, there's nothing wrong with that.



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24 Sep 2011, 8:50 am

LKL wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
ruveyn wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:

Abortion isn't a matter of personal choice, it is a matter of life and death. The pro-abortion people try to change the subject to personal choice, because they know the instant the real issue gets discussed, they lose.


Whether I commit suicide or not is a matter of life and death. It is also a matter of personal choice. The two issues are not mutually exclusive. A woman had the right to defend herself against any threat to her life or health. Being pregnant is inherently life threatening. If a woman will not willing bear the risk of going to term, she should be free to take the less risky alternative -- to wit early abortion.


You do realize many of these "life-threatening issues" can be handled these days simply with good hygene, regular checkups, etc. We aren't living in the middle ages you know.

Just wanted to repeat this claim so that everyone can see, once again, what ignorant, piggish attitudes you display.

To be fair, though, there is much more likelihood that at risk pregnancies can be brought to term preserving both the life of the newborn and the mother. I don't think the "issues" are handled with hygiene and checkups, but with better diagnostics one can certainly decide on a course of action to ensure that loss of life doesn't happen.

Just sayin'.

I also agree with ruveyn on the idea of self-defense. But given how many more options there are that would save the baby AND the mother, it's more difficult to show how exactly the mother's life is threatened. This is something that can only really be assessed closer to term, at least as far as I know.

Rape is a different animal. Perhaps it is best that if a girl or woman does not wish to become pregnant at any given time, then some form of birth control should be in place. There is no need to kill in self-defense if there's nothing to defend against.



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24 Sep 2011, 9:07 am

I think the morning after pill is the best option when it comes to rape. Abortion might help the rape victim, but more likely it will only complicate their psychological problems. It's all too common for rape victims to be pressured into aborting a 'dishonorable' baby when they would in fact rather keep it. I have sympathy for girls that get pregnant when they didn't want to have sex, but I have strong standards against killing human beings, so I can't just make an exception for rape when otherwise I would find abortion abhorrent. That is a form of honor killing, saying because the baby was a product of an unwanted act, he/she is not worthy to breathe.



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24 Sep 2011, 9:53 am

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Rape is a different animal. Perhaps it is best that if a girl or woman does not wish to become pregnant at any given time, then some form of birth control should be in place. There is no need to kill in self-defense if there's nothing to defend against.


8O Wha... ???

Are you serious? So all post-pubescent women should have to be on birth control to avoid unwanted pregnancies from rape? It is the woman's responsibility somehow?

Do you realize that there are risks inherent with birth control? Or does that not matter?