13 May 2022, 10:59 pm
Jakki wrote:
Interesting analogy about chess …. Used to play , but if my opening moves were countered , the rest of the game was pretty much over for me. The Putin forces seems to have used a similiar tactic , and their opening moves were countered . So hope this entire Ukraine thing , does not just become a game of attrition.
If we avoid a nuclear winter, the Russians will be neutered for the foreseeable future after this fiasco, like Hitler's Germany, was.
13 May 2022, 11:02 pm
carlos55 wrote:
None of that sadly takes away the fact that this has become a NATO Russia conflict with no way out.
We are only one bullet away from finding a way out.
13 May 2022, 11:06 pm
magz wrote:
But Ukraine has no strategic interest in going deep into Russian territory, so this scenario is very unlikely.
They have their own territories to regain, with supportive population. That's much easier than hostile occupation, way more understood, accepted and generally rational.
After regaining pre-Feb24 territories, Western support is very likely to switch from heavy weapons (to advance on terrain) to anti-missile (protection from shelling).
They have their own territories to regain, with supportive population. That's much easier than hostile occupation, way more understood, accepted and generally rational.
After regaining pre-Feb24 territories, Western support is very likely to switch from heavy weapons (to advance on terrain) to anti-missile (protection from shelling).
A venture into Russia by the Ukrainian forces will force pootin to redeploy more troops away from other fronts in Ukraine.
It is a good move if it doesn't cause a nuclear holocaust.
13 May 2022, 11:32 pm
Live on May 9th.
"200" is said to be the code used by the Russian military to transport soldiers' remains.
This shows that the Russians who do not support the war can already speak out publicly now, and may dominate.
13 May 2022, 11:44 pm
14 May 2022, 6:10 am
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14 May 2022, 6:23 am
14 May 2022, 6:31 am
auntblabby wrote:
what kind of mischief is russia likely to play on those countries that dare to join NATO?
pootin is skrewed.
14 May 2022, 7:00 am
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14 May 2022, 12:23 pm
In case no one's seen this yet.
14 May 2022, 4:18 pm
14 May 2022, 6:15 pm
Pepe wrote:
magz wrote:
Pepe wrote:
It wasn't Soviet superior communication, planning or tactics that won.
It was the over-extended supply chains of the Germans, the Soviet winter, the moving of Soviet industry to the east, the massive amount of manpower, and the resolve of the Soviet people as a result of *their* country being invaded.
Sound familiar?
Yep. It wasn't superior planning and tactics by Soviets, it was inferior planning and tactics by Germans It was the over-extended supply chains of the Germans, the Soviet winter, the moving of Soviet industry to the east, the massive amount of manpower, and the resolve of the Soviet people as a result of *their* country being invaded.
Sound familiar?
If it hadn't been for Amuurian supplies/lend-lease, the Germans would have conquered The U.S.S.R.
Sound familiar?
Find and Read the book “ Lyme and the S.S. Elbe” It is full of Freedom of Information Act Citations . Most
Had been requested before our government here started to redact things that people made requests for.
It raised the ire of the US gov. The author was hounded and put under such mental stress after its publication that she went on the run and into hiding . I believe until she died .
This will give you a very different veiw of WW2 and tactics . During the push into Russia , Germany had several high ranking Generals at least 2 , whom held Communist beliefs . a General Paulus was in charge of the Southern swing of Germanys assault into Russia . It would have been a giant Pincher movement . Coming up from below , into Russia while Stalingrad was under siege . General Paulus , did not follow orders . He stalled his Armies at a pass into a valley that led into the heart of Russia. Providing no relief for the Armies assaulting Stalingrad.
Was rumored that the Russians had employed chemical weapons at this pass. But this is a skeptical excuse as the Germans had experience with Chemical weapons all the way back from WW1 . It would be hard to believe that the Germans did not have access to protective equipment even back then.
Believe me the above listed book is a eye opener. I could not get through it . By the second to the last chapter it had throughly changed my opinions about how Our government and others did business . Could not bear to read anymore . Life was overwhelming enough without having read all the FOIA requests . It is not a happy book .
14 May 2022, 6:17 pm
ironpony wrote:
Well after this war is over, will it be awkward for NATO countries to resume trade with Russia after, politically or not really?
Get rid of Hitler pootin and there will be a political reset.
14 May 2022, 6:21 pm
Jakki wrote:
Pepe wrote:
magz wrote:
Pepe wrote:
It wasn't Soviet superior communication, planning or tactics that won.
It was the over-extended supply chains of the Germans, the Soviet winter, the moving of Soviet industry to the east, the massive amount of manpower, and the resolve of the Soviet people as a result of *their* country being invaded.
Sound familiar?
Yep. It wasn't superior planning and tactics by Soviets, it was inferior planning and tactics by Germans It was the over-extended supply chains of the Germans, the Soviet winter, the moving of Soviet industry to the east, the massive amount of manpower, and the resolve of the Soviet people as a result of *their* country being invaded.
Sound familiar?
If it hadn't been for Amuurian supplies/lend-lease, the Germans would have conquered The U.S.S.R.
Sound familiar?
Find and Read the book “ Lyme and the S.S. Elbe” It is full of Freedom of Information Act Citations . Most
Had been requested before our government here started to redact things that people made requests for.
It raised the ire of the US gov. The author was hounded and put under such mental stress after its publication that she went on the run and into hiding . I believe until she died .
This will give you a very different veiw of WW2 and tactics . During the push into Russia , Germany had several high ranking Generals at least 2 , whom held Communist beliefs . a General Paulus was in charge of the Southern swing of Germanys assault into Russia . It would have been a giant Pincher movement . Coming up from below , into Russia while Stalingrad was under siege . General Paulus , did not follow orders . He stalled his Armies at a pass into a valley that led into the heart of Russia. Providing no relief for the Armies assaulting Stalingrad.
Was rumored that the Russians had employed chemical weapons at this pass. But this is a skeptical excuse as the Germans had experience with Chemical weapons all the way back from WW1 . It would be hard to believe that the Germans did not have access to protective equipment even back then.
Believe me the above listed book is a eye opener. I could not get through it . By the second to the last chapter it had throughly changed my opinions about how Our government and others did business . Could not bear to read anymore . Life was overwhelming enough without having read all the FOIA requests . It is not a happy book .
I find it difficult to believe General Paulus was a covert communist working for the Soviets, sorry.
14 May 2022, 6:33 pm
Pepe wrote:
ironpony wrote:
Well after this war is over, will it be awkward for NATO countries to resume trade with Russia after, politically or not really?
Get rid of Hitler pootin and there will be a political reset.
But no one plans to get rid of him. So far the plan is to just discourage him out of it.
14 May 2022, 6:55 pm
Pepe wrote:
Jakki wrote:
Pepe wrote:
magz wrote:
Pepe wrote:
It wasn't Soviet superior communication, planning or tactics that won.
It was the over-extended supply chains of the Germans, the Soviet winter, the moving of Soviet industry to the east, the massive amount of manpower, and the resolve of the Soviet people as a result of *their* country being invaded.
Sound familiar?
Yep. It wasn't superior planning and tactics by Soviets, it was inferior planning and tactics by Germans It was the over-extended supply chains of the Germans, the Soviet winter, the moving of Soviet industry to the east, the massive amount of manpower, and the resolve of the Soviet people as a result of *their* country being invaded.
Sound familiar?
If it hadn't been for Amuurian supplies/lend-lease, the Germans would have conquered The U.S.S.R.
Sound familiar?
Find and Read the book “ Lyme and the S.S. Elbe” It is full of Freedom of Information Act Citations . Most
Had been requested before our government here started to redact things that people made requests for.
It raised the ire of the US gov. The author was hounded and put under such mental stress after its publication that she went on the run and into hiding . I believe until she died .
This will give you a very different veiw of WW2 and tactics . During the push into Russia , Germany had several high ranking Generals at least 2 , whom held Communist beliefs . a General Paulus was in charge of the Southern swing of Germanys assault into Russia . It would have been a giant Pincher movement . Coming up from below , into Russia while Stalingrad was under siege . General Paulus , did not follow orders . He stalled his Armies at a pass into a valley that led into the heart of Russia. Providing no relief for the Armies assaulting Stalingrad.
Was rumored that the Russians had employed chemical weapons at this pass. But this is a skeptical excuse as the Germans had experience with Chemical weapons all the way back from WW1 . It would be hard to believe that the Germans did not have access to protective equipment even back then.
Believe me the above listed book is a eye opener. I could not get through it . By the second to the last chapter it had throughly changed my opinions about how Our government and others did business . Could not bear to read anymore . Life was overwhelming enough without having read all the FOIA requests . It is not a happy book .
I find it difficult to believe General Paulus was a covert communist working for the Soviets, sorry.
In the interest of Clarification .:
Please seperate political beliefs from peoples job positions , It is not considered bad taste to be a republican in a democratic state. As early in the war , Germany was aligned with Russia. Being a Communist was not a crime in Germany then . But being a Russian Communist when Germany turned on Russia . Would have been a issue .
In spite of your beliefs , it is quite impossible to change history .
