What are your thoughts on 'Hell'?
After going through the Jehovah Witness force conversion, and being told that Jehovah Witnesses congregations are a taste of what's to come for us if we make it to heaven on earth / heaven...
I contemplated what 1,000 years or eternity would be like living under such strict rules, around such people.
And figured that would be hell not heaven for me.
In fact, the stereotype of hell, including all the sinful things that puritanical Christians say are bad for you,
started sounding more like heaven to me. Think all the sex, drugs and rock and roll you can handle.
Plus loads of violence for entertainment, with a big slice of sadism. (personally i am not sadistic, although.. being a room full of Jehovah Witness nobs would push the limits to even the most controlled well mannered and well meaning human).
I said to the Jehovah Witnesses, "if this is a taste of what's to come, then count me out. I'd prefer to be "wiped from Gods memory" or go downstairs where all the cool hedonistic parties are going on!"
Jehovah Witness heaven would be the most boring interpretation of heaven ever!
I contemplated what 1,000 years or eternity would be like living under such strict rules, around such people.
And figured that would be hell not heaven for me.
In fact, the stereotype of hell, including all the sinful things that puritanical Christians say are bad for you,
started sounding more like heaven to me. Think all the sex, drugs and rock and roll you can handle.
Plus loads of violence for entertainment, with a big slice of sadism. (personally i am not sadistic, although.. being a room full of Jehovah Witness nobs would push the limits to even the most controlled well mannered and well meaning human).
I said to the Jehovah Witnesses, "if this is a taste of what's to come, then count me out. I'd prefer to be "wiped from Gods memory" or go downstairs where all the cool hedonistic parties are going on!"
Jehovah Witness heaven would be the most boring interpretation of heaven ever!
I felt similarly.
Why live a life of deprivation when the reward ain’t that great?
Too many rules. Too many judgmental people. Not enough fun. No thanks!
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“Les grandes personnes ne comprennent jamais rien toutes seules, et c'est fatigant, pour les enfants, de toujours et toujours leur donner des explications.”
— Le Petit Prince
For sure. to be honest, many of the rules that such puritanical religions impose on a person aren't even based on scripture.
The scriptures of such religions were often written during times that were completely different to our own times,
and where as there is much to be learnt by studying holy texts, there also is much left to interpretation of man (and not given by God).
I like God and Godliness, but I personally feel that men setting themselves up as self appointed representatives of God or even replacements for God, isn't a good way to go. If you give most materially driven men any form of power over people or resources, a high percentage of them are vulnerable to abuse their power over people and the resources.
I personally feel following a spiritual path is good if not essential, but one that has no man in control.
Where each man, woman and child still can worship God through their actions in life, but do not answer to any man made organisation for trivial matters, and only when society's main laws are broken.
The scriptures of such religions were often written during times that were completely different to our own times,
and where as there is much to be learnt by studying holy texts, there also is much left to interpretation of man (and not given by God).
I like God and Godliness, but I personally feel that men setting themselves up as self appointed representatives of God or even replacements for God, isn't a good way to go. If you give most materially driven men any form of power over people or resources, a high percentage of them are vulnerable to abuse their power over people and the resources.
I personally feel following a spiritual path is good if not essential, but one that has no man in control.
Where each man, woman and child still can worship God through their actions in life, but do not answer to any man made organisation for trivial matters, and only when society's main laws are broken.
I think i feel the same way.

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♡ The Hearts teach us to feel pleasure and pain.
◇ The Diamonds teach us to enjoy that we gain.
♧ The Clubs teach us to work the goals we aim.
♤ The Spades teach us to conquer all we claim.
American: The Germans are so evil for commiting genocide on the Jews!
Me: We commited genocide on the Native Americans you know.
American: Oh.. well... that was a long time ago. We're not like that anymore!
Me: (Yeah, right...)
Or
American: The Japanese are so evil for attacking Pearl Harbor!
Me: Compared to what we did by dropping atomic bombs on two of their cities killing millions of innocent civilians with radiation including children?
American: Big deal! All that did was end the war!
Attitudes like that are exactly why I despise this country.
Certainly the U.S. has committed "war crimes," although for my own definition of "war crimes" I will say that they are acts of maliciousness or malevolence that do not further the goal of winning the war. This is a different definition than is standard, because I believe in war the most important thing is to win, because frankly you win or die.
For this reason I will take issue with any characterization of the nuclear attacks on Hiroshima and Nagasaki as "evil." Japan had lost the war (one it initiated), but for some stubborn reason refused to surrender. The purpose of the nuclear attacks was to force Japan into surrender. Had the U.S. wanted to bomb Tokyo with nuclear weapons they could have as they had already firebombed Tokyo, but this would not have been as purposeful as a nuclear strike on Tokyo would have devastated Japan to the point that the country would have been in such disarray that there would effectively be no way to order the surrender. It's also noteworthy that the Japanese had the opportunity to surrender after Hiroshima before Nagasaki, but still did not do so.
Regardless:
America will live in the anals of history for being the first nation in history to "murder" men, women, children, foetuses via the use of atomic bombs.
It is an unpleasant fact to deal with, believe me, I know, but a fact it is.
I have read that one of the reasons America dropped the two Atomic bombs was to demonstrate the power they had to the Russians.
I have heard the same theory regarding the incomprehensible decision of fire-bombing Dresden.
There is more to it, but hey. <shrug>
Sooner or later karma will kick us in the ass for that one.
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♡ The Hearts teach us to feel pleasure and pain.
◇ The Diamonds teach us to enjoy that we gain.
♧ The Clubs teach us to work the goals we aim.
♤ The Spades teach us to conquer all we claim.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=etAIpkdhU9Q
On Lord when the Morning Star Venus Now
in Glorious Light Becomes A Devil (Lucifer) And
A Garbage Dump Gehenna Becomes Hell And
Adversaries will Always Be Contended with as
Enemies too; True, Forms that House Essence in Vehicles and Vessels of what
We 'Think' We See as Truth and Light are whatever Humans Create together now.
A 'Great Think' about Sharing Information Free GlobAlly Wide; is when one comes to find
this is Just Human Nature Creating Bonds for Binds, Dark thru Light to Keep the Hairless
Apes Working Stronger together than separate for something to eat. Meanwhile; for those
who have gone to 'that place' where all there is is time in Piece of Paper Existence where now
Feelings and Senses Melt Away to Real Nothingness now; true, one will hope for any feel or sense;
Real Flames of Hell Fire Taste Like a Promise of Heaven in a Dark Abyss of the Soul (what we feel and
sense and give and share of life) as compared to Nirvana and Bliss for anyway one finds a bit of escape
out of the Neo-Cortex that provides all the reasons to worry in deaDlines of Abstract Constructs of Time
And Distance and Space Now too. Yes; to understand Hell better it may be Greater to Understand what Hell
is not and that is Flow; Yes, the Transient Hypo-Frontality Blissful Expansion of Human Potential out of our
Time Making Machine awakening more of our Subconscious Mind; the other 95 Percent of our Mind of existence
now; Yes, Bringing the Bigger Ocean of Mind up to just a small Concrete Swimming Pool of Mind Life; namely, mostly
Existence in Reason Land the Neo-Cortex; where other wise; Oh Lord, Entire Disney Worlds of Artistic Mind of Imagination
in Greater Creativity as evidenced by Science when in Flow like this as measured 400 to 500 percent more in Human
Greater Productivity too. And then there is the Bio-Feedback of Meditation, either Moving or still Meditation that now
may Bring an Autotelic Very Healing and Regenerating State of Being where we gain access through the Bio-Feedback
of Meditation to actually Master the Feel Good Neurochemicals and Neurohormones for Good Times Tours of Life
Always Now; so much more Colorful in Feel and Sense and in Deed as Well All Becomes Frigging Love Fearless
Unconditional Consuming ALL others and the Rest of Nature (God) With the Least Harm Possible Now For Real.
That's Heaven. This Heaven Feels Whole Now With no Separation from the Rest of Nature WHeRE Life is ReAlly Good.
There is no Whole in Hell; Just Deep Ocean Pit of Black Soul Abyss. This Exists; Trust me or not; You Do
Not wanna Go to A place Within where one Second feels like an Eternity of Black Hole Soul; Nope; not even
Horned Creatures or Mythological Demons and Devils would wanna enter A Real Mind of Separation now so Cold.
Anyway; i got tired of all those Old Bible Twisted Words Incomplete;
And NoW iN 70 Months, i am celebrating my own "SonG oF mY SoUL" Long Form Poem Free Verse Epic
Bible at 7 Million Words of Effort and 11,418 Miles of Public Dance Now, in the Same 70 Months of Bliss too.
THere ain't no Hell where i LiVE NoW; only Heaven of Dance and Song Free to move, connect, and co-create Freely Now.
True; if i don't keep my Get out of Hell Card Stamped With A Continuous Dance And Song; As We all may Do; i
too might just go back; so, i dance and sing evermorenow so far Removed from Poe Ravens now that and who S..
OBTW the Farther Away from Human Empathy and Sympathy With a Good Learning practice of Cognitive
Empathy Across the Life Span With Compassion too; the closer Humans Get to Hell on Earth now too;
i see some folks day to day who appear to be getting very very Close to a D-Day that is Self
Destruction of Soul and no Victory Day in any any way..
One thing i've personally noticed, Since i've also gained the ability to regulate my Body Temperature
Along with my other Feelings Regulating my Emotions And Senses is that in Heaven as my 6 Year Anniversary
iN Really Living in the Kingdom of Heaven Now Within on Earth on July 19, 2013 is; that in Heaven now it is
Always Warm and Cool Enough to Wear Shorts and Really Always Hot Enough to Love it all Dark thru Light;
Who Cares
About Hell
when You
Live in
Heaven;
Hells Bells
Enjoy whatever
Lord of the Rings You HaPPeN to Find now too;
in or out of the illusion of time distance and space Eternal Now Heaven is most definitely best.
So Many Pretty Women in Heaven too; got all the Evidence for that too; hAha, in Heaven
My Wife Still Looks the Same in a Bikini at 49 as she did at 17; got all the evidence for that too Hehe..
Don't tell
anyone
but
Lucifer isn't
Really the Devil;
Please keep the Secret
as i just Celebrated my 6.6.60 Birthdate Birthday too;
See ya around. Have a Nice Day/Night Wherever You are now.
There is no
Escaping
Our Nature;
So make the
Best of it you can and will;
Pan is my ReaL NaMe aLL is my GaMe;
You May CaLL me GRooT too; tHere is no DiFFeRencE..
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I asked a former devout Christian if he was afraid of going to Hell as a teenager when he was doing bad stuff.
He said: “No because I figured all my friends would be there.”
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“Les grandes personnes ne comprennent jamais rien toutes seules, et c'est fatigant, pour les enfants, de toujours et toujours leur donner des explications.”
— Le Petit Prince
If that's what Hell is supposed to be like, then Heaven must be a very empty, lonely place. So I rather not believe in either place.
I'm probably going to limbo simply because I was never baptized. Do Southern Protestants even believe in limbo or is that strictly a Catholic thing?

strictly catholic as I understand it.
That's where the "unbaptized babies", and grown up "virtuous Pagans" go. Dont know what they do with those two groups in the other churches (Protestant and Eastern Orthodox). Seems unfair to me to burn them in H.
If that's what Hell is supposed to be like, then Heaven must be a very empty, lonely place. So I rather not believe in either place.
I'm probably going to limbo simply because I was never baptized. Do Southern Protestants even believe in limbo or is that strictly a Catholic thing?

strictly catholic as I understand it.
That's where the "unbaptized babies", and grown up "virtuous Pagans" go. Dont know what they do with those two groups in the other churches (Protestant and Eastern Orthodox). Seems unfair to me to burn them in H.
I wonder why protestants do baptism ceremonies if they don't believe in limbo?
_________________
♡ The Hearts teach us to feel pleasure and pain.
◇ The Diamonds teach us to enjoy that we gain.
♧ The Clubs teach us to work the goals we aim.
♤ The Spades teach us to conquer all we claim.
My belief is:
We are all Spiritual Beings in a material body.
God is Spirit and we are made in His image.
I believe this to be true along with millions of other folk.
So hence when we (the believer) leave our material body we return to be with God.
Hell on the other hand is separation from God through ignorance.
I contemplated what 1,000 years or eternity would be like living under such strict rules, around such people.
And figured that would be hell not heaven for me.
In fact, the stereotype of hell, including all the sinful things that puritanical Christians say are bad for you,
started sounding more like heaven to me. Think all the sex, drugs and rock and roll you can handle.
Plus loads of violence for entertainment, with a big slice of sadism. (personally i am not sadistic, although.. being a room full of Jehovah Witness nobs would push the limits to even the most controlled well mannered and well meaning human).
I said to the Jehovah Witnesses, "if this is a taste of what's to come, then count me out. I'd prefer to be "wiped from Gods memory" or go downstairs where all the cool hedonistic parties are going on!"
Jehovah Witness heaven would be the most boring interpretation of heaven ever!
Same.
strictly catholic as I understand it.
That's where the "unbaptized babies", and grown up "virtuous Pagans" go. Dont know what they do with those two groups in the other churches (Protestant and Eastern Orthodox). Seems unfair to me to burn them in H.
No reason to it at all.

He said: “No because I figured all my friends would be there.”

If that's what Hell is supposed to be like, then Heaven must be a very empty, lonely place. So I rather not believe in either place.
I'm probably going to limbo simply because I was never baptized. Do Southern Protestants even believe in limbo or is that strictly a Catholic thing?

strictly catholic as I understand it.
That's where the "unbaptized babies", and grown up "virtuous Pagans" go. Dont know what they do with those two groups in the other churches (Protestant and Eastern Orthodox). Seems unfair to me to burn them in H.
I wonder why protestants do baptism ceremonies if they don't believe in limbo?
Some Protestant groups believe that you have to be baptized to go to heaven. If you aren’t a baptized Christian (or aren’t baptized into their sect of Christianity), you’re going to Hell or will just be in an eternal sleep.
There are lots of variations on this, though.
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“Les grandes personnes ne comprennent jamais rien toutes seules, et c'est fatigant, pour les enfants, de toujours et toujours leur donner des explications.”
— Le Petit Prince
If that's what Hell is supposed to be like, then Heaven must be a very empty, lonely place. So I rather not believe in either place.
I'm probably going to limbo simply because I was never baptized. Do Southern Protestants even believe in limbo or is that strictly a Catholic thing?

strictly catholic as I understand it.
That's where the "unbaptized babies", and grown up "virtuous Pagans" go. Dont know what they do with those two groups in the other churches (Protestant and Eastern Orthodox). Seems unfair to me to burn them in H.
I wonder why protestants do baptism ceremonies if they don't believe in limbo?
Some Protestant groups believe that you have to be baptized to go to heaven. If you aren’t a baptized Christian (or aren’t baptized into their sect of Christianity), you’re going to Hell or will just be in an eternal sleep.
There are lots of variations on this, though.
I think some Protestants also believe that if you are poor then your soul has already been condemned to go to hell. Because being rich somehow means that God has showed you favor.
Hence all the crazy conservative Christians who believe a racist monster like Trump is like the new Jesus or something.
_________________
♡ The Hearts teach us to feel pleasure and pain.
◇ The Diamonds teach us to enjoy that we gain.
♧ The Clubs teach us to work the goals we aim.
♤ The Spades teach us to conquer all we claim.
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