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11 Aug 2007, 4:19 pm

Ragtime wrote:

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I was making the point that he chose to practice this religion and therefore should expect sh** from people when he sits here making alsorts of stupid assumptions about them, whereas the guy I knew who got bullied for years for being gay didn't choose that.

If raggy has the kind of personal knowledge of
God that he claims, he's either a nut job, or
sees the truth. Either way, can you really say
that he has any free choice in the matter?

Presuming reality is not as subjective as I
see it (in which case one WOULD be able to
choose their sexuality as well), it seems clear
that IF one is certain of the truth of something,
they have no choice but to believe it.

Now, as to 'practicing' well, one can be gay,
and not act on it. Or learn to hide it. I'm not
suggesting that these things are good, but I'm
pretty sure that his holiness sees that he is
the anointed of God, sent out to proselytize
all of us heathens. Yeah, he could choose
otherwise, but it would be WRONG from his
standpoint. Just as hiding one's sexuality is.

Exactly.

So you accept that hiding one's sexuality is wrong?

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11 Aug 2007, 4:20 pm

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He can't prove the Christian god exists. But I don't recall ever deciding to be gay. For him, it's an external thing - a god, for me it's about decisions that I supposedly made myself.

You can't prove you exist.

Has he claimed that he has any free will as to believing
in his God's existence? He claims such as to other things,
but I'm not sure about this. IF he does, well you have your
point, and he should retire.

I can choose to follow God, or not to follow God, but I can't choose whether or not to know He's real.

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11 Aug 2007, 4:23 pm

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He can't prove the Christian god exists. But I don't recall ever deciding to be gay. For him, it's an external thing - a god, for me it's about decisions that I supposedly made myself.

I can choose to follow God, or not to follow God, but I can't choose whether or not to know He's real.

How can you know it's real?

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11 Aug 2007, 4:23 pm

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Well, he is a nut job. And yes, he has no control over that. But he does have the choice of whether or not to start writing a load of BS on here or not. I don't mean this thread, I know he didn't start this. But what about things like claiming I hate men? Even if I did hate men, he couldn't possibly know that.

I just can't see why else you'd need "a gun to your head", as you put it, to ever have sex with any man of any kind. My best theory is there's something about men being men that you despise.

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11 Aug 2007, 4:24 pm

Sopho wrote:

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Exactly.

So you accept that hiding one's sexuality is wrong?

Lying about it? Yes.

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11 Aug 2007, 4:26 pm

Sopho wrote:

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He can't prove the Christian god exists. But I don't recall ever deciding to be gay. For him, it's an external thing - a god, for me it's about decisions that I supposedly made myself.

I can choose to follow God, or not to follow God, but I can't choose whether or not to know He's real.

How can you know it's real?

In no way you'd understand, as evidensed by your repeatedly asking me this same question. It's a spiritual knowledge, and it's greater and deeper than sensory information -- and even a step up from the mind.

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11 Aug 2007, 4:27 pm

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I just can't see why else you'd need "a gun to your head", as you put it, to ever have sex with any man of any kind. My best theory is there's something about men being men that you despise.

Because unless I had to, why the hell would I have sex with someone I didn't like in that way? Why don't straight men f**k each other? You can go on and on about me hating men all you like, I don't. I 'hate' some men, but not because they're men. I also 'hate' some women.' What reason would I have to hate them?

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11 Aug 2007, 4:28 pm

Ragtime wrote:

Sopho wrote:

Ragtime wrote:

calandale wrote:

Sopho wrote:

He can't prove the Christian god exists. But I don't recall ever deciding to be gay. For him, it's an external thing - a god, for me it's about decisions that I supposedly made myself.

I can choose to follow God, or not to follow God, but I can't choose whether or not to know He's real.

How can you know it's real?

Then just like I don't understand your 'spirituality', you can't understand my sexuality, so quit claiming I hate men.

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11 Aug 2007, 4:32 pm

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Because unless I had to, why the hell would I have sex with someone I didn't like in that way?

Ah, lot's of reasons. In my own case,
it was the first time that I managed
to have two girls at once. Seemed
worth a bit of man love.

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Why don't straight men f**k each other?

Some do. Especially in prison.
I'm not sure if it makes them
gay to do so, but they weren't
when they entered.

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11 Aug 2007, 4:36 pm

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Because unless I had to, why the hell would I have sex with someone I didn't like in that way?

Ah, lot's of reasons. In my own case,
it was the first time that I managed
to have two girls at once. Seemed
worth a bit of man love.

But I have no reason to do that. I don't want two girls at once. I'm not going to go and screw some guy just because I can. If I ever wanted to or had a reason to then fair enough, but there are none right now.

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11 Aug 2007, 4:52 pm

Ragtime wrote:

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I just can't see why else you'd need "a gun to your head", as you put it, to ever have sex with any man of any kind. My best theory is there's something about men being men that you despise.

LOL
You still don't get it, do you?
It is not about despising men, it is about SEXUAL ORIENTATION, nothing more than that.

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11 Aug 2007, 4:55 pm

If I like for a woman to take me from behind with a strap-on, does that make me gay?

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11 Aug 2007, 4:56 pm

Ragtime wrote:

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I just can't see why else you'd need "a gun to your head", as you put it, to ever have sex with any man of any kind. My best theory is there's something about men being men that you despise.

What she was illustrating it applies very well to straight guys as well.

Just think that someone has a gun pointed at your head and wants you to suck him off, would you do that to save your life or others as the example she made, wouldn't you? it works the same way.

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11 Aug 2007, 4:56 pm

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If I like for a woman to take me from behind with a strap-on, does that make me gay?

No.

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11 Aug 2007, 5:00 pm

Sopho wrote:

calandale wrote:

Sopho wrote:

Because unless I had to, why the hell would I have sex with someone I didn't like in that way?

Ah, lot's of reasons. In my own case,
it was the first time that I managed
to have two girls at once. Seemed
worth a bit of man love.

Why dont you try it and then see if it changes your mind...

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11 Aug 2007, 5:14 pm

Sopho wrote:

Ragtime wrote:

Sopho wrote:

Ragtime wrote:

calandale wrote:

Sopho wrote:

He can't prove the Christian god exists. But I don't recall ever deciding to be gay. For him, it's an external thing - a god, for me it's about decisions that I supposedly made myself.

I can choose to follow God, or not to follow God, but I can't choose whether or not to know He's real.

How can you know it's real?

Then just like I don't understand your 'spirituality', you can't understand my sexuality, so quit claiming I hate men.

I'm convinced now: You do hate men.

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