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18 Aug 2009, 3:14 pm

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Because that's just like anyone automatically siding with their own "group" without verifying the facts. Like if a white person said that they would automatically assume that whites are correct and everyone else is wrong, or if a black person said blacks are always correct, etc, etc.

I am an atheist, but I don't automatically assume that if someone is an atheist I have to take their side. I'm not going to defend Stalin just because he was also an atheist.

And I don't defend creationists just because they're Christians. But if I see an atheist arguing with a Christian about something, I will probably be on the side of the Christian by default. If it turns out the Christian is arguing for creationism, I'd end up switching sides, of course.


It makes no sense to side with one person over another before you hear both sides of the story. In your example, you imply that in an argument between an atheist and a Christian, you would automatically be on the Christian's side even before hearing what values that particular Christian holds. This is stereotyping and assuming that every Christian thinks like you and every atheist thinks the opposite.

As for Shadowgirl, she hasn't yet stated whether she meant she agrees with the Christians simply because they are Christians, or if she agrees with what they are actually saying/doing. That is why I made two separate statements, each beginning with "if"; Shadowgirl's original comment could have been read either way.


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18 Aug 2009, 5:20 pm

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gina-ghettoprincess wrote:
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I'd join the Christians on this one.


So you think it's wrong for the non-religious to be able to feel accepted in what is supposed to be a secular society?


What you have to understand is that the above poster is notoriously an anti-atheist biogt. Furthermore, I'd have to say that in general she's the Anne Coulter of this form and it's best not to try reasoning with her.


Ok #1 I am not a bigot of any type. I'm just a messenger of the truth that you reject constantly.

#2 I don't like Anne Coulter so I would appreciate if you didn't compare me to that crazy lady.


Nobody accused you of being a bigot. You are obviously a biogt. If you don't know what that is you're in trouble.


I'm a-thinkin' that if she's "obviously a biogt", then you are either obviously an intentional miss-spllere or you're attemptin' to be a jrek.



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18 Aug 2009, 6:06 pm

Shadowgirl wrote:
Master_Pedant wrote:
gina-ghettoprincess wrote:
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I'd join the Christians on this one.


So you think it's wrong for the non-religious to be able to feel accepted in what is supposed to be a secular society?


What you have to understand is that the above poster is notoriously an anti-atheist biogt. Furthermore, I'd have to say that in general she's the Anne Coulter of this form and it's best not to try reasoning with her.


Ok #1 I am not a bigot of any type. I'm just a messenger of the truth that you reject constantly.

#2 I don't like Anne Coulter so I would appreciate if you didn't compare me to that crazy lady.


Messenger of truth? I was going to say who died and made you that, but then I remembered ALLEGEDLY Jesus did. You speak with such irritating hubris. It's super awesome you believe whatever it is you believe so strongly, but try to remember there's no evidence to even approach considering that your views are right in any way. You don't have some secret to everlasting delight that we mere heathens will never possess.



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18 Aug 2009, 6:12 pm

iamnotaparakeet wrote:
Sand wrote:
Shadowgirl wrote:
Master_Pedant wrote:
gina-ghettoprincess wrote:
Shadowgirl wrote:
I'd join the Christians on this one.


So you think it's wrong for the non-religious to be able to feel accepted in what is supposed to be a secular society?


What you have to understand is that the above poster is notoriously an anti-atheist biogt. Furthermore, I'd have to say that in general she's the Anne Coulter of this form and it's best not to try reasoning with her.


Ok #1 I am not a bigot of any type. I'm just a messenger of the truth that you reject constantly.

#2 I don't like Anne Coulter so I would appreciate if you didn't compare me to that crazy lady.


Nobody accused you of being a bigot. You are obviously a biogt. If you don't know what that is you're in trouble.


I'm a-thinkin' that if she's "obviously a biogt", then you are either obviously an intentional miss-spllere or you're attemptin' to be a jrek.


I gather you have no idea what a biogt is either. Shame on you.



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18 Aug 2009, 7:23 pm

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Ok #1 I am not a bigot of any type. I'm just a messenger of the truth that you reject constantly..



my god kicked your god's ass.


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18 Aug 2009, 7:51 pm

Sand wrote:
iamnotaparakeet wrote:
Sand wrote:
Shadowgirl wrote:
Master_Pedant wrote:
gina-ghettoprincess wrote:
Shadowgirl wrote:
I'd join the Christians on this one.


So you think it's wrong for the non-religious to be able to feel accepted in what is supposed to be a secular society?


What you have to understand is that the above poster is notoriously an anti-atheist biogt. Furthermore, I'd have to say that in general she's the Anne Coulter of this form and it's best not to try reasoning with her.


Ok #1 I am not a bigot of any type. I'm just a messenger of the truth that you reject constantly.

#2 I don't like Anne Coulter so I would appreciate if you didn't compare me to that crazy lady.


Nobody accused you of being a bigot. You are obviously a biogt. If you don't know what that is you're in trouble.


I'm a-thinkin' that if she's "obviously a biogt", then you are either obviously an intentional miss-spllere or you're attemptin' to be a jrek.


I gather you have no idea what a biogt is either. Shame on you.


Unless you are meaning to write "bigot", then no, I have no idea what "biogt" means, and neither do the unabridged dictionaries I searched or the urban dictionary... is it a word in Finnish or another language?



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18 Aug 2009, 10:24 pm

iamnotaparakeet wrote:
Sand wrote:
iamnotaparakeet wrote:
Sand wrote:
Shadowgirl wrote:
Master_Pedant wrote:
gina-ghettoprincess wrote:
Shadowgirl wrote:
I'd join the Christians on this one.


So you think it's wrong for the non-religious to be able to feel accepted in what is supposed to be a secular society?


What you have to understand is that the above poster is notoriously an anti-atheist biogt. Furthermore, I'd have to say that in general she's the Anne Coulter of this form and it's best not to try reasoning with her.


Ok #1 I am not a bigot of any type. I'm just a messenger of the truth that you reject constantly.

#2 I don't like Anne Coulter so I would appreciate if you didn't compare me to that crazy lady.


Nobody accused you of being a bigot. You are obviously a biogt. If you don't know what that is you're in trouble.


I'm a-thinkin' that if she's "obviously a biogt", then you are either obviously an intentional miss-spllere or you're attemptin' to be a jrek.


I gather you have no idea what a biogt is either. Shame on you.


Unless you are meaning to write "bigot", then no, I have no idea what "biogt" means, and neither do the unabridged dictionaries I searched or the urban dictionary... is it a word in Finnish or another language?


Although someone else evidently stumbled over the word by Heisenberg's indeterminate invocation and a mis-aimed finger on his keyboard it was evidently fated to come into existence (or at least make its appearance from another time line in our five dimensional continuum) to specifically denote the activity of a mind so distorted by fantastic dogma and total lack of fundamental insight as to appear to some eyes as highly comic and to others as a delicately interwoven complex of naivety and central nervous system incompetence which confounds even the most astute minds to confront. You haven't found it yet in any of the standard reference literature because there is a time lag in the impact of alien terminology from a different time line. If you are extremely lucky in your mining of resources you might just catch a transforming page in the "B" section of a dictionary where the typography automatically readjusts to this alien invasion and the word appears by seeming magic in its proper place on the page and although religious people would no doubt ascribe this to a miracle it is merely an inevitable adjustment to temporal reality. These things occur unobserved all the time. I remember when "cool" referred merely to temperature and magically now it also refers to a certain mindset or a rather commendable act or a type of dress or decoration.



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18 Aug 2009, 10:28 pm

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It makes no sense to side with one person over another before you hear both sides of the story.

Sure it does. You might have to change your mind after you hear the other side, but there's no reason to assume you're wrong beforehand. You might be wrong, but then again, you might be right. You can't even guess how likely it is that you're right without looking into the evidence.

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In your example, you imply that in an argument between an atheist and a Christian, you would automatically be on the Christian's side even before hearing what values that particular Christian holds. This is stereotyping and assuming that every Christian thinks like you and every atheist thinks the opposite.

It is stereotyping, but not all stereotyping is bad. I know what most Christians believe, and it matches what I believe more often than it matches what most atheists believe. So it's a pretty good bet, if I don't know otherwise, that I'm likely to agree with the Christian. If I don't know any of the specifics, then I might as well bet with the better odds.


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18 Aug 2009, 10:35 pm

Ancalagon wrote:
gina-ghettoprincess wrote:
It makes no sense to side with one person over another before you hear both sides of the story.

Sure it does. You might have to change your mind after you hear the other side, but there's no reason to assume you're wrong beforehand. You might be wrong, but then again, you might be right. You can't even guess how likely it is that you're right without looking into the evidence.

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In your example, you imply that in an argument between an atheist and a Christian, you would automatically be on the Christian's side even before hearing what values that particular Christian holds. This is stereotyping and assuming that every Christian thinks like you and every atheist thinks the opposite.

It is stereotyping, but not all stereotyping is bad. I know what most Christians believe, and it matches what I believe more often than it matches what most atheists believe. So it's a pretty good bet, if I don't know otherwise, that I'm likely to agree with the Christian. If I don't know any of the specifics, then I might as well bet with the better odds.


I truly envy your intimate and deep familiarity with individual Christian and atheist minds.



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18 Aug 2009, 10:51 pm

Here in Oregon, I don't think anyone would care. If anyone DID care, they'd probably be made fun of. One of our towns (Silverton) even elected the first openly crossdressing mayor in the nation's history. More people from Kansas came out and protested it than Oregonians.

Personally, I wouldn't even care if there was a Christian billboard that said "If you don't believe in Christ, you're wicked and will go to hell." I would just look at it, shrug my shoulders, laugh, and say "what a bunch of idiots."



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18 Aug 2009, 10:51 pm

Sand wrote:
iamnotaparakeet wrote:
Sand wrote:
iamnotaparakeet wrote:
Sand wrote:
Shadowgirl wrote:
Master_Pedant wrote:
gina-ghettoprincess wrote:
Shadowgirl wrote:
I'd join the Christians on this one.


So you think it's wrong for the non-religious to be able to feel accepted in what is supposed to be a secular society?


What you have to understand is that the above poster is notoriously an anti-atheist biogt. Furthermore, I'd have to say that in general she's the Anne Coulter of this form and it's best not to try reasoning with her.


Ok #1 I am not a bigot of any type. I'm just a messenger of the truth that you reject constantly.

#2 I don't like Anne Coulter so I would appreciate if you didn't compare me to that crazy lady.


Nobody accused you of being a bigot. You are obviously a biogt. If you don't know what that is you're in trouble.


I'm a-thinkin' that if she's "obviously a biogt", then you are either obviously an intentional miss-spllere or you're attemptin' to be a jrek.


I gather you have no idea what a biogt is either. Shame on you.


Unless you are meaning to write "bigot", then no, I have no idea what "biogt" means, and neither do the unabridged dictionaries I searched or the urban dictionary... is it a word in Finnish or another language?


Although someone else evidently stumbled over the word by Heisenberg's indeterminate invocation and a mis-aimed finger on his keyboard it was evidently fated to come into existence (or at least make its appearance from another time line in our five dimensional continuum) to specifically denote the activity of a mind so distorted by fantastic dogma and total lack of fundamental insight as to appear to some eyes as highly comic and to others as a delicately interwoven complex of naivety and central nervous system incompetence which confounds even the most astute minds to confront. You haven't found it yet in any of the standard reference literature because there is a time lag in the impact of alien terminology from a different time line. If you are extremely lucky in your mining of resources you might just catch a transforming page in the "B" section of a dictionary where the typography automatically readjusts to this alien invasion and the word appears by seeming magic in its proper place on the page and although religious people would no doubt ascribe this to a miracle it is merely an inevitable adjustment to temporal reality. These things occur unobserved all the time. I remember when "cool" referred merely to temperature and magically now it also refers to a certain mindset or a rather commendable act or a type of dress or decoration.


Ah, so you were just attempting to be a J-R-E-K. Your spelling of B-I-G-O-T is quite unique to Engrish I must say. Too bad in English dictionaries B-I-O-G-T is not a word.



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18 Aug 2009, 10:55 pm

Here's the etymology of the English word Bi-Got, id est "By God", http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=bigot



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18 Aug 2009, 11:08 pm

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Here in Oregon, I don't think anyone would care. If anyone DID care, they'd probably be made fun of. One of our towns (Silverton) even elected the first openly crossdressing mayor in the nation's history. More people from Kansas came out and protested it than Oregonians.

Personally, I wouldn't even care if there was a Christian billboard that said "If you don't believe in Christ, you're wicked and will go to hell." I would just look at it, shrug my shoulders, laugh, and say "what a bunch of idiots."


Also, in capitalist economies, people have certain freedoms and rights. Such as, if you pay for a sign, then it's staying there until the contract is up or until rent cannot be paid. For people to protest billboards is like protesting junk mail. Sure, you don't want it, but it comes to you anyway because someone paid for it.



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18 Aug 2009, 11:27 pm

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Here's the etymology of the English word Bi-Got, id est "By God", http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=bigot


And here's the etymology of the interdimensional word "biogt". The first three letters refers to biology which involves both neuropathology and particular non-functions of the digestive system which contains a lower accumulation of concentrated neurons which many people of intense faith mistakenly accept as a thinking mechanism and frequently succumb to permitting it to supplant the brain which is far more adept at logic and reason and perception of and organization of sense input. Religious people are, to a large degree, mentally free of attention to valid sense input which is why their minds readily accept non-sense as their basic mental building blocks. Holy foods, therefore, play a great part in religious dogma - the wafers and wine of Catholicism, the matzos of the Jewish faith and all those peculiar tasty dishes of the Seder etc.

The final letters, of the term. "gt" goes into unfamiliar territory. G could possibly be a reference to a deity or to a goat which is a traditional animal of gullibility. The "t" possibly indicates a mind tied into immobility by rote dogma or might be an indication of several possible words such as terrified, tormented, or even tummy which refers back to the intestinal nerve complex. There are several theories about this and they are continuously debated by noted theologians to no firm conclusion so far.



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18 Aug 2009, 11:43 pm

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gina-ghettoprincess wrote:
It makes no sense to side with one person over another before you hear both sides of the story.

Sure it does. You might have to change your mind after you hear the other side, but there's no reason to assume you're wrong beforehand. You might be wrong, but then again, you might be right. You can't even guess how likely it is that you're right without looking into the evidence.

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In your example, you imply that in an argument between an atheist and a Christian, you would automatically be on the Christian's side even before hearing what values that particular Christian holds. This is stereotyping and assuming that every Christian thinks like you and every atheist thinks the opposite.

It is stereotyping, but not all stereotyping is bad. I know what most Christians believe, and it matches what I believe more often than it matches what most atheists believe. So it's a pretty good bet, if I don't know otherwise, that I'm likely to agree with the Christian. If I don't know any of the specifics, then I might as well bet with the better odds.


Making assumptions about people without knowing the facts is never good.

You can't "know what most Christians believe". You know what YOU believe. Every person is different. Even a variety of people under one particular "label" (in this case, Christians) will all hold different beliefs and values to varying degrees.


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Holy foods, therefore, play a great part in religious dogma - the wafers and wine of Catholicism, the matzos of the Jewish faith and all those peculiar tasty dishes of the Seder etc.


I don't think the communion of the Catholics compares quite so well with the Pesach meal. Catholicism has the belief of the communion elements becoming the body and blood of Christ. Jesus had said, "do this in remembrance of me" where the wine at Pesach and the unleavened bread represented his blood shed and his body broken, not that they literally were. For non-Christian Jewish people, the Pesach meal doesn't carry the same significance, but only the exodus from Egypt.