Why the drug war is a legitimate war against terrorism

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11 Feb 2006, 7:30 am

Yes, i can easily believe some drug money has, on occasion been linked to some of what you would term 'terrorism'.

But its only a few specific types of drug, and even then probably only a fraction of the overall market.

If the US administration really wanted all terrorism to stop (and i do not believe that for a second) There are much simpler ways to achieve that - like adopting a civilized foreign policy that doesnt inspire fear and vengeance in great swathes of the outside world.

THis is what im talking about;
http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Blum/ ... BlumZ.html



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11 Feb 2006, 9:30 am

I know I am coming to this game late and my points may have already been stated, but...

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Why the drug war is a legitimate war against terrorism

1. Have you ever known of any major drug dealer on the news without weapons?


They have weapons because the drugs are illegal, not because they are terrorists. If they were legal, gangs and guns would not be protecting it...much like comparing beer/liquor of today to what it was like during prohibition.

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2. Have you known of no existence where drug dealers with guns will use the weapons they have to keep on dealing and stay out of jail?


Why wouldn't they? I'm not saying it is right, but it makes sense to defend yourself when someone is trying to take your liberty away. Likewise, if I had guns I would probably use them to keep myself out of jail too. I just haven't had the government coming after me for anything yet.

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3. Terrorism (criminality) comes in many forms, when highly illegal and threatening against law abiding citizens, containing networks socially of drug relations, and comprised of the intent of continuation and growth. IT is either worse than or nearly as bad as supernatural belief terrorisms. It’s more common and widespread.


I don't get this one.

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4. Propagandist will have you believe its all just to relax, it’s his or her freedom to take extremely bad drugs and pay for it while deteriorating their lives to substances like cocaine.


Propagandists would have you believe that the government needs to protect an adult from theirself. If you do not have anyone in your care, such as minors, old persons, invalids, etc, you should be able to do what you want with drugs in the privacy of your own home. Billions and billions of dollars later, we have ended up with fewer rights, liberties, and less privacy while the drug trade is still booming. I'm tired of giving up my liberties for a "War on Drugs" that will never be won.

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5. Without educating the minds of the young and enforcing the laws, drug dealers and drug addicts might be further wide-spread. Resulting in a greater burden to public welfares and grave societal harms.


We could put all the drug abusers through rehab programs and have money left over for what we spend on the "War on Drugs." Even better, we won't use it as an excuse to burn the Bill of Rights anymore or poison the water and crops of people in other nations.



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11 Feb 2006, 3:20 pm

So what if drug money is used to fund terrorism? That doesn't matter. Every possible source of money is also used to fund terrorism, especially oil. What is the difference?



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11 Feb 2006, 9:16 pm

Some of you need a reality check. PLEASE..

It's funny!



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12 Feb 2006, 12:48 am

Actually, the anti-drug-war thoughts are the result of an extensive check of the realities involved. Already taken care of, thank you.



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12 Feb 2006, 1:31 am

1. Gangs and funding to the gangs
2. Other organized drug related profiteering
3. Victims of drug abuse and violence relating including families.
4. Terrorism funding from drugs.
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Reality check...

I'm not arguing M.J.

I think Nanotech can stop it and end the cost burden to tax payers, increase the quality of life of individuals and families, greatly reduce strains on social service treatment programs and in general benefit the populous in numerous ways in a trickle effect economic majors can explain perhaps..



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12 Feb 2006, 5:06 am

sc wrote:
You’ve been banging on about this terrorism link long enough now, you ought to provide some validation for it.
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I was told by a person who would know. For certain, yes.

Yeah, for certain too. I just asked today.

He's retired... He would not lie. Did it for years. Drug money has been known to fund terrorism.


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12 Feb 2006, 5:31 am

A disabled american veteran and veterans advocate.

I should not give his name out though. There are articles from newspapers ect he has written but I'm not interested in them. More so its a privacy thing otherwise I'd display all of it. HE declined to write about this subject.



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12 Feb 2006, 6:42 am

So you cite an author who declined to write about it. Great cites there.
I don't think anyone has contested the fact that drug money is used to fund terrorism. Drug money has even been used by the U.S. governments to fund our own "counter-terrorist." So why do you keep going on about it? This doesn't make the war against drugs a legitimate war against terrorism. Not only are there other sources of money for terrorism, mostly oil, but the war on some drugs has made drug sales much more profitable, pumping more money into whatever projects the drug dealers have in mind. The only way we can have an effect is to deal drugs to the people who want them, cutting the potential terrorists out of the trade.

If you want to keep the war going by convincing people that we are fighting terrorism, I think that it is you who should be fought and stopped. You are helping pump money into terrorism. You ignore the signs that say you should try other tactics or allow someone else to make the decisions. You are also the one who wants to allow a very dangerous technology out loose in the environment, and very dangerous philosophies of government, the kinds of philosophies that have destroyed so many humans and governments in the past.



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12 Feb 2006, 7:05 am

I do not believe terrorism is commonly funded. Yet To conduct a proper investigation I would have to request information via the freedom of information act. My dad does not talk about his old work, I don’t ask often unless a question like this but he would not say anything else.

I don't want to review hundreds of pages of nonsense.

Are people so anti-government that they would not believe a government site concerning it? I could check but I know just by logics criminal activity takes place commonly, social services drained, prisons filled, families distroyed and criminal behaviours happen while on drugs. The typical drug addict will say legalize it, mostly in music that is political.

But for the harsher drugs would your solution be to allow it freely?



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12 Feb 2006, 7:10 am

Concerning NanoTech

I think thats just fear concerning ignorances with the technology. NanoTechnology I really think would help end the war on drugs depending on the logistics.



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12 Feb 2006, 1:33 pm

Even so, SC, you seem to think that your thoughts are somehow superior to mine and those of several others here.



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15 Feb 2006, 4:31 pm

Some guy told me some stuff so I believe it. I won't name him or cite any documents that can be checked and independently examined by skeptics.

All drug dealers are terrorists. X is a drug dealer. Therefore, X is a terrorist.

Drug users/abusers should be given nanites against their will to stop them using them nasty old drugs.

What's wrong with a police state? SO we'll lose a few freedoms--we'll be safe from the bad people.

Anyone who disagrees or whom I think is off-topic has a "screw loose."

This stuff would be a lot funnier if it were a joke. Then again, maybe it is?



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16 Feb 2006, 9:14 am

Joke or not, he has a line on the way that anti-drug people think. Watch for the people who have to talk around things to say what they want to say.



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16 Feb 2006, 9:02 pm

The drug war needs to be focused on legal corporations, the largest of which the United States itself is home to. They are a far worse problem than illegal drugs and the public has been brainwashed to blindly accept them. These companies DO market a few necessary medications but for the most part they push sparsely tested junk on an unknowing public. They are known to spend twice as much on advertising than they do on their research and testing. They have tons of paid lobbyists tangled into the government who twist the laws and regulations to suit them. Meanwhile, imports from other countries are heavily tarrifed so the US companies can maintain a stranglehold on the market. It is also a fact that pills that they produce are often marked up in the thousands of percentages beyond what it costs to make them. So with that in mind, the United States harbours it's own brand of terrorists who do an equal or greater amount of damage to their people than foreigners have ever done.

The next time you see an "ask your doctor if blablabla is right for you" commercial, think about what I just said.