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19 Sep 2010, 12:15 am

John_Browning wrote:

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Wow, that is one of the most offensive rants I've ever seen in public. Manson family all the way.

Indeed. Rather flagrant violation of forum rules too. I think this time Hanotaux has finally crossed the line.

Then debate her on it rather than taking the chicken way out and being like the sheep in "Animal Farm" by screaming racism. I dare you to defeat her views on her own terms. Or can you?

Why bother? I've done it before, but there is just no arguing with some people. Almost everything Hanotaux has said in his past few posts has just been utterly ridiculous. Easily refutable, but hardly worth the effort to go through point-by-point.

Hanotaux, if you want a definition of racism:

Dictionary.com wrote:

rac·ism
[rey-siz-uhm] Show IPA
–noun
1.
a belief or doctrine that inherent differences among the various human races determine cultural or individual achievement, usually involving the idea that one's own race is superior and has the right to rule others.
2.
a policy, system of government, etc., based upon or fostering such a doctrine; discrimination.
3.
hatred or intolerance of another race or other races.

You certainly meet definitions 1 and 3.

World English Dictionary wrote:

World English Dictionary
racism or racialism (ˈreɪsɪzəm, ˈreɪʃəˌlɪzəm)

— n
1. the belief that races have distinctive cultural characteristics determined by hereditary factors and that this endows some races with an intrinsic superiority over others
2. abusive or aggressive behaviour towards members of another race on the basis of such a belief

You meet both of these definitions.

So yes, you are a racist.

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19 Sep 2010, 12:23 am

John_Browning wrote:

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Wow, that is one of the most offensive rants I've ever seen in public. Manson family all the way.

Indeed. Rather flagrant violation of forum rules too. I think this time Hanotaux has finally crossed the line.

Then debate her on it rather than taking the chicken way out and being like the sheep in "Animal Farm" by screaming racism. I dare you to defeat her views on her own terms. Or can you?

Racism to that profound a degree screams of delusion; delusion, by definition, cannot be corrected by reasoned arguments

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19 Sep 2010, 12:26 am

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Ah yes, you've been singing the same tune for years.......

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So yes, you are a racist.

OK...........

Not sure why I should feel offended though TBH. The whole idea of racism is an artificial construct anyway that was created by elitist professors who were looking to diffuse nationalism.

Its every bit as natural to feel nationalistic pride, and pride in one's own race, as it is to support your favorite sports team.

You usually don't know why you like your favorite team besides the fact that they represent your area, or mabye you just like the team's colors or history.

I see nothing wrong therefore about having a natural bias in favor of one's own race.

Besides that, there are many legitimate reasons to be opposed to blacks, muslims, etc.

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Pretty much the whole contemporary constructs of Anti-racism, diversity, etc, are pretty much the exact same as the Nazi idealogy, but flip-flopped.................... Instead of the Aryan master race, substitute blacks and muslims............... Constant assiduous effort in education to enforce tolerance and a diverse environment, as opposed to a unicultural environment............ Peer pressure, ridicule, loss of employment, and possibly criminal charges against anyone who dissents.

Its really kind of the exact same, but just turned on its head, and applied more subtly.

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19 Sep 2010, 12:54 am

Besides, I find it beyond hilarious that on a thread about a "pink-faced half-wit," and festooned with loads of insults directed at conservatives, tea-partiers, etc, that you fussy-liberals can get SOOOO upset about critical 'racism' directed against your precious sensitive favored peoples. I'd hate to offend their hair-trigger sensitivities or possibly in any way dare suggest that they aren't the center of the universe and may actually be subject to some review. I'd hate to dare ruffle any Islamic feathers........ we know how absolutely precious they are.

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has since been employed by nearly every pink-faced, intellectually corrupt piece of sh** a**hole to open his fat, disgusting pig mouth since. .........................

"These jowly nitwits are characterized by their false sense of moral superiority

Funny that the OP can throw out obvious insulting nonsense like above^ and no one bats an eye, but any "racism," and you get Orwell the forum-cop all over you screaming 'racism.'

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19 Sep 2010, 12:59 am

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You certainly meet definitions 1 and 3.

For number 3: There wasn't much that you could reasonably expect someone to tolerate in the other races she grew up around, and yeah, you can reasonably expect those life experiences to make an impression on someone.

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You meet both of these definitions.

So yes, you are a racist.

She is not a racist for for pointing out obvious omissions from psychology and genetics. The scientific research she refers to in her claims of hereditary differences was arbitrarily abandoned in favor of political correctness 45 years ago. All she is doing is making observances, and when required, calling them on bad behavior. That's about as abusive as confronting a drunk who always wants to "borrow" money from you about their problem.

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19 Sep 2010, 1:08 am

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The scientific research she refers to in her claims of hereditary differences was arbitrarily abandoned in favor of political correctness 45 years ago

Absolutely correct, the book was arbitrarily closed on all official sanctioned discussion into these issues several decades ago. You are basically a heretic(as seen on this thread,) if you dare try to contradict the PC-inquisition.

Anyway, I don't understand why people like Orwell should feel so offended by criticism of blacks and muslims, when it seems commonplace to throw around far more virulent insults and stereotypes against Christians, conservatives etc........

but it just goes to show that the 'tolerant' people are really massive hypocrites and no better than anyone else. They tolerate what they like, conform to the agenda. and bash that which they don't. They don't practice true tolerance, in the sense that they tolerate Everybody. They only present a thin veneer of tolerance that is bolstered by constant effusive declarations of absolute fawning over certain ethnic minorities, but behind this is a load of reverse racism and bigotry, as displayed by the OP's post on this thread.

All that you are seeing here is a massive ironic conformity to the counter-culture.

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19 Sep 2010, 3:56 am

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... Almost everything Hanotaux has said in his past few posts has just been utterly ridiculous. Easily refutable, but hardly worth the effort to go through point-by-point.

He's just articulating a point of view held by a large proportion of the white population of the US and Europe. The evidence for what he says is plain to see in any "culturally diverse" urban setting. Moreover, there's a good scientific base for some of it, too. Check out how testosterone levels are on average higher in certain racial groups. This appears to be an undisputed fact, yet strangely (or perhaps all-things-considered it's not so strange) I've never seen this brought into the debate by the mainstream media. Then there's the racial IQ isssue we've discussed previously.

Anyway, it seems the US education system is doing well in its indoctrination of you, Orwell. You appear to become more rabidly liberal as the months pass. Despite you studying a science you cannot seem to see beyond poverty being the cause of all society's problems. As for myself, I'm glad I live in an area where the indigenous British are, for the time being at least, in the majority.

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19 Sep 2010, 4:01 am

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...but it just goes to show that the 'tolerant' people are really massive hypocrites and no better than anyone else...

Well said. The most intolerant people on this forum are nearly always liberals. When they get nowhere with rational debate all they have is the "racist" accusation and a scream to a mod for breach of ToS.

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19 Sep 2010, 11:53 am

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The scientific research she refers to in her claims of hereditary differences was arbitrarily abandoned in favor of political correctness 45 years ago

Its not as if any of your ridiculous claims about race superiority or lack thereof have any basis in science. You over-generalize massively, ignore great wads of evidence, and certainly haven't applied any of your "theories" in a scientific manner.

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19 Sep 2010, 11:59 am

John_Browning wrote:

Orwell wrote:

LKL wrote:

Wow, that is one of the most offensive rants I've ever seen in public. Manson family all the way.

Indeed. Rather flagrant violation of forum rules too. I think this time Hanotaux has finally crossed the line.

Then debate her on it rather than taking the chicken way out and being like the sheep in "Animal Farm" by screaming racism. I dare you to defeat her views on her own terms. Or can you?

Yeah, been doing that. Got dull after a while. Went on to sports (yawn) and when the sports argument fell down went on to business (yawn). Who can be bothered to wait for the next area where blacks suck and whites rule which wont actually be accurate and then the next one ad nauseum?

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19 Sep 2010, 1:21 pm

Macbeth wrote:

John_Browning wrote:

Orwell wrote:

LKL wrote:

Wow, that is one of the most offensive rants I've ever seen in public. Manson family all the way.

Indeed. Rather flagrant violation of forum rules too. I think this time Hanotaux has finally crossed the line.

Then debate her on it rather than taking the chicken way out and being like the sheep in "Animal Farm" by screaming racism. I dare you to defeat her views on her own terms. Or can you?

And, based on my quiet observations from the land of Lurkerdom, it's hard to "debate" a person when they want to dismiss your views as being those of a "brain-washed liberal" and then complain when you dismiss their views as "racist."

Just sayin'. :twisted:

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19 Sep 2010, 1:37 pm

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Not really............ most of the time, besides screaming 'racist' in an attempt to refute, and offering cheeseball definitions of racism, usually the only refutation comes not from scientific theories that uphold the leftist point of view, but from constant anecdotal experiences.............. It seems all that really happens are that liberals quote their own experiences with diversity and then expect that positive experience to hold up for everybody. Just because one person had a good experience in their diverse school or their multiracial sports club, that doesn't mean that that same experience will apply to the whole population(but congrats on being happy in your situation..) Mostly 95% of the liberal 'refutations' I've seen have been nothing but anecdotal remarks about their own positive experiences with diversity, not any concrete evidence that multiculturalism is somehow naturally and automatically the superior paradigm.

Besides that, the book was closed on the actual discussions into the definitions of racism, eugenics, etc, several years ago, and the educational elite refuses to permit any revisionism or questioning into these.

If those 'scary conservatives' on Fox News were really trying to scare white people, I think they'd be constantly talking about the demographic changes, showing urban schools with like 10% white pupils, etc. But you almost never see this or any serious conservative questioning of the leftist position on these matters.

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19 Sep 2010, 2:03 pm

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Lets be clear. Personally I think Multiculturalism (with a big M) is a flawed concept that only worsens relations between races and ethnicities. Being forced to be "diverse" is counter-productive. However, "culture" is not "race", and understanding that other people have their own ways is not the same as enforced multiculturalism. Declaring that a given race is simply less able or another race is superior at a given task is overgeneralised BS on a par with deciding that all Autistics can count cards.

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19 Sep 2010, 2:10 pm

Was the Onion poking fun at liberal media? I noticed they were very cautious and calculated to write an entire article without saying anything at all.

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19 Sep 2010, 3:59 pm

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Was the Onion poking fun at liberal media? I noticed they were very cautious and calculated to write an entire article without saying anything at all.

I suppose one could look at it that way.
Alternatively, it could just be a way of criticising conservatives in a way that is less likely to be challenged than if similar sentiments were expressed in a "serious" paper.

I guess The Onion offers something for everyone!

I remember reading an Onion "article" about the progress made my female professionals in recent years entitled "New Study Shows Progress Made By Broads". I couldn't tell if it was supposed to be a satire of sexists or a dig at feminists, but it was pretty funny anyway.

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19 Sep 2010, 4:29 pm

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If those 'scary conservatives' on Fox News were really trying to scare white people, I think they'd be constantly talking about the demographic changes, showing urban schools with like 10% white pupils, etc. But you almost never see this or any serious conservative questioning of the leftist position on these matters.

This is a good point. I am in the UK, so I only see glimpses of the American scene, but I get the impression that the likes of Fox News never question racial egalitarian dogma, or even suggest that Whites might like to form advocacy groups in the same way that Blacks and Hispanics do. The likes of Fox News appeal implicitly to Whites with talk about the founding fathers, self-reliance and fighting terrorism, so large numbers of Whites watch Fox News and vote Republican, and when the Republicans get in the cosmopolitanisation of America continues. And yet liberals cannot seem to appreciate this fact, and are still full of loathing for the likes of Fox News for their supposed "racism".

Having said all that, I suppose if the UK were to have a channel like Fox News, I would welcome it as a step in the right direction. The modern British idea of a "conservative" includes people like David Cameron, who is really just a dripping wet liberal. I think the closest thing we've had recently to a US-style conservative radio host was a useless loudmouth called Jon Gaunt.

I hear that Glenn Beck is Fox's most un-PC character. Perhaps he "knows" more than he lets on. I've even heard it suggested that his Restoring Honor Rally might even have been a clever PR stunt aimed at awakening confused Tea Partiers: they turn up, venerate Martin Luther King, and still the liberals spew forth their bile at them.

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