31 Oct 2010, 12:58 pm
LKL wrote:
What you say above is true. However, the Tea Partiers (for you 
) do not cry, 'Save our homeland!' They cry, 'Get rid of the Mexicans!' Or, even worse, 'Git rid 'a the illegals!' As if being in the country w/o official recognition (a misdemeanour, on the same level as a traffic violation) makes a person illegal and illegitimate. They make no mention of Brittish, Canadians, or Europeans in this country illegally - even though these are the groups who are more likely to be competing with the Tea Party demographic for jobs.
Look, for example, at the ads put forth by Angle - a leader and representative of the Tea Party! They are overtly racist, not even trying to put on a veneer of civil discourse. If there are Tea Partiers who still claim that they have nothing to do with racism, then it's a case of the left hand either ignorant or apathetic of what the right hand is doing.
) do not cry, 'Save our homeland!' They cry, 'Get rid of the Mexicans!' Or, even worse, 'Git rid 'a the illegals!' As if being in the country w/o official recognition (a misdemeanour, on the same level as a traffic violation) makes a person illegal and illegitimate. They make no mention of Brittish, Canadians, or Europeans in this country illegally - even though these are the groups who are more likely to be competing with the Tea Party demographic for jobs. Look, for example, at the ads put forth by Angle - a leader and representative of the Tea Party! They are overtly racist, not even trying to put on a veneer of civil discourse. If there are Tea Partiers who still claim that they have nothing to do with racism, then it's a case of the left hand either ignorant or apathetic of what the right hand is doing.
I've seen many, many tea party groups and have never seen anyone say Get rid of the Mexicans. Granted, there are probably a few people on the fringe who do, but as a large percentage of the group? Yeah, right. Having the belief to get rid of illegals is not a racist belief as race is not a factor. If someone has that belief, as I do, it doesn't matter what race they are, they shouldn't be here receiving any benefits from our nation.
Personally, I haven't seen ads put forth by Angle, but based on what you believe to be racist, I could probably tell you that none of her ads are racist at all. What you seem to think falls into the category of racism is almost laughable if the level of ignorance wasn't so sad.
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Gotta disagree with you there. It's pretty damn hard to want to end birthright citizenship without some kind of nasty demographic fear behind the desire. If it's about 'cutting entitlements,' then it's only about cutting entitlemnts for the "them" that the Tea Partiers fear.
There's no demographic fear at all behind it. It's simply a matter of illegals coming here and having their babies here to gain citizenship so they can leach off of our country that is nearly completely broke. Again, race has nothing to do with it. It doesn't matter what race they are, if they're Mexican, British, Canadian, Indian, Chinese, German, etc, they should not be able to have "anchor babies".
31 Oct 2010, 4:01 pm
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31 Oct 2010, 10:30 pm
31 Oct 2010, 10:44 pm
JasonGone wrote;
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i do have to say, after living in many different cities and states, that florida (i lived in the tampa st. pete area for six years recently) is by far the most openly racist place i have lived in.
I've lived in central Florida most of my life and I DO NOT find that to be the case at all. From the Tampa area across through the Orlando area to the space coast it's pretty damned cosmopolitan.
Even more so in south Florida.
What exactly are you comparing it to, San Francisco?
31 Oct 2010, 11:37 pm
01 Nov 2010, 8:41 am
01 Nov 2010, 10:19 am
number5 wrote:
Bataar wrote:
LKL wrote:
Bataar wrote:
I've seen many, many tea party groups and have never seen anyone say Get rid of the Mexicans.
you haven't been paying very much attention, then.
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Granted, there are probably a few people on the fringe who do, but as a large percentage of the group? Yeah, right.
If they aren't racist, they wouldn't be picking racist leaders.
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Personally, I haven't seen ads put forth by Angle...
And apparently your browser can't be directed to Google, Dogpile, Yahoo, or any other search engine. Or maybe you're just lazy and/or incapable of googling.
Since you can't do it yourself:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oZn9ek95s-I
(that took about 2 minutes to find, btw, including the time that it took to watch the video). The commentary is a little simplistic, but the point is still clear.
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...but based on what you believe to be racist, I could probably tell you that none of her ads are racist at all.
Ad hominem.
Except that it's not just me who thinks that they're racist.
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What you seem to think falls into the category of racism is almost laughable if the level of ignorance wasn't so sad.
more ad hominem.
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There's no demographic fear at all behind it. It's simply a matter of illegals coming here and having their babies here to gain citizenship so they can leach off of our country that is nearly completely broke.
*snort.*
I'll just leave that up to speak for itself.
I watched both of those ads and there is nothing racist in them. She clearly illustrates her position against illegal immigration and compares it with Harry Reid. Or are you trying to make the claim that because the "illegals" they show in those ads are a Latino race makes her racist despite the fact that the vast, vast, VAST majority of illegals are Latino. Is it now racist to recognize reality? The only people who would find those ads racist are people would be against Angle regardless of where she stood on that issue and are using a made up issue against her.
She doesn't believe insurance companies should be treating "autism" (complete with her own air quotes) either.
I hope you're just trying to point out something you don't like about Angle and not trying to claim this is racist
If you dig a little deeper, you'll find that it's not that she believes insurance should be treating autism, but rather, it shouldn't be on every single plan. Should a family without any autistic kids or members have to pay extra for their insurance for something they will never use?
01 Nov 2010, 10:33 am
Bataar wrote:
I watched both of those ads and there is nothing racist in them. She clearly illustrates her position against illegal immigration and compares it with Harry Reid. Or are you trying to make the claim that because the "illegals" they show in those ads are a Latino race makes her racist despite the fact that the vast, vast, VAST majority of illegals are Latino. Is it now racist to recognize reality? The only people who would find those ads racist are people would be against Angle regardless of where she stood on that issue and are using a made up issue against her.
01 Nov 2010, 11:51 am
adifferentname wrote:
Bataar wrote:
I watched both of those ads and there is nothing racist in them. She clearly illustrates her position against illegal immigration and compares it with Harry Reid. Or are you trying to make the claim that because the "illegals" they show in those ads are a Latino race makes her racist despite the fact that the vast, vast, VAST majority of illegals are Latino. Is it now racist to recognize reality? The only people who would find those ads racist are people would be against Angle regardless of where she stood on that issue and are using a made up issue against her.
use your words?
01 Nov 2010, 12:30 pm
ikorack wrote:
adifferentname wrote:
Bataar wrote:
I watched both of those ads and there is nothing racist in them. She clearly illustrates her position against illegal immigration and compares it with Harry Reid. Or are you trying to make the claim that because the "illegals" they show in those ads are a Latino race makes her racist despite the fact that the vast, vast, VAST majority of illegals are Latino. Is it now racist to recognize reality? The only people who would find those ads racist are people would be against Angle regardless of where she stood on that issue and are using a made up issue against her.
use your words?
01 Nov 2010, 1:20 pm
[quote="Bataar]I hope you're just trying to point out something you don't like about Angle and not trying to claim this is racist
If you dig a little deeper, you'll find that it's not that she believes insurance should be treating autism, but rather, it shouldn't be on every single plan. Should a family without any autistic kids or members have to pay extra for their insurance for something they will never use?[/quote]
Well that makes absolutely no sense! Children are added to plans as newborns. I'm not aware of any newborns being diagnosed with autism. The whole point of insurance is to ensure that you'll have funding to pay for both expected and unexpected illness/disorder/disease/injury/etc. By Angle's logic, why should auto accident injuries be covered on every single plan? It's something many people will never use, right?
I didn't make the point to call her racist, just ignorant in general.
01 Nov 2010, 1:49 pm
01 Nov 2010, 2:54 pm
adifferentname wrote:
ikorack wrote:
adifferentname wrote:
Bataar wrote:
I watched both of those ads and there is nothing racist in them. She clearly illustrates her position against illegal immigration and compares it with Harry Reid. Or are you trying to make the claim that because the "illegals" they show in those ads are a Latino race makes her racist despite the fact that the vast, vast, VAST majority of illegals are Latino. Is it now racist to recognize reality? The only people who would find those ads racist are people would be against Angle regardless of where she stood on that issue and are using a made up issue against her.
use your words?
<.< wut?
01 Nov 2010, 3:38 pm
01 Nov 2010, 4:13 pm
