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07 Dec 2010, 2:31 am

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I don't really trust them that much to make all of it available.

I just wish we would have the financial stuff released already...


With so many documents to go through, maybe the 100 a day drop rate is just to keep from creating an epic TL;DR problem. 100 a day is enough for everyone to work through and analyse. It also allows them to check that they aren't dropping anyone in the sh**, as I understand they were supposed to be at least censoring out some names to stop the Taliban et al causing issues.

You're right though. All the Kings Horses and All the Kings Men can't find Osama, or even get rid of the Taliban, but they have resources to waste to attack one man who is only doing what any news outlet would do. Clearly the security of the US is safe with them.... :roll:

And again, DDoS is a FEDERAL offence in the US. Obviously US laws don't apply to US agents either. Nice.


Actually that could simply be willful patriots, its not exactly complicated business.



Patriots. Agents. Idiots. A cretin by any other name would still be breaking the law, and its not as if the authorities are falling over themselves to find the culprit.

Besides which, of course its the bloody US government doing it. Try and find a "white hat" hacker who wouldn't want to read a bunch of leaked insider info. No such beast exists.


Nonsense even hackers are susceptible to idiocy Macbeth. Besides your assuming wikileaks reported the IP's of the attackers to a police agency. Also DDoS is something within the realm of a script kiddy.


And the multiple hosts who have thrown Wikileaks off their servers because of the continual denial of service haven't made any attempt to report these attacks to the correct authorities? Are we to believe that AMAZON would not report such activity? Maybe on its own a DDoS could be blamed on annoying children with nothing better to do, but alongside the now vast trail of attacks on Assange, from spurious rape charges up to the Swiss freezing his accounts, it becomes more and more obvious that the DDoSing is simply another facet to the comprehensive attempts by the US to take Assange out of business. The fact that it is easy does not prevent agencies from using it.


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07 Dec 2010, 6:04 am

INcidentally, Assange has just been arrested in the UK on frankly ridiculous rape charges following the use of the ludicrously unbalanced European Arrest Warrant. Lets see how long it takes for him to disappear or end up in the states.

The world IS watching. Might be nice if the USA used a little common sense before it gets its collective head jammed any further up its collective ass. Bear in mind that persecution is how martyrs are made.


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07 Dec 2010, 8:44 am

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INcidentally, Assange has just been arrested in the UK on frankly ridiculous rape charges following the use of the ludicrously unbalanced European Arrest Warrant. Lets see how long it takes for him to disappear or end up in the states.

The world IS watching. Might be nice if the USA used a little common sense before it gets its collective head jammed any further up its collective ass. Bear in mind that persecution is how martyrs are made.


Hard to say. If he gets a public trial, I'd expect a jury to acquit. They failed to do a good job on the last "terrorist" who they tried in civilian court. Yeah, they got a conviction...on one out of dozens of charges.



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07 Dec 2010, 3:05 pm

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INcidentally, Assange has just been arrested in the UK on frankly ridiculous rape charges following the use of the ludicrously unbalanced European Arrest Warrant. Lets see how long it takes for him to disappear or end up in the states.

The world IS watching. Might be nice if the USA used a little common sense before it gets its collective head jammed any further up its collective ass. Bear in mind that persecution is how martyrs are made.


Hard to say. If he gets a public trial, I'd expect a jury to acquit. They failed to do a good job on the last "terrorist" who they tried in civilian court. Yeah, they got a conviction...on one out of dozens of charges.


Are there jury trials in Sweden? I think that is a uniquely common law practice.

But popular hero or not, if Assange failed to discontinue intercourse when consent was withdrawn, he rightly faces judgement for that. If his accusers are making it up, he is entitled to be acquitted. But neither conclusion can be fairly reached or promoted until a court hears and decides the matter.

Let's not forget that the women that Assange had sex with are just as entitled to justice as he is.


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07 Dec 2010, 3:09 pm

Glenn Beck is weighing in on this he isn't sure which side is telling the truth on this.

http://nation.foxnews.com/wikileaks/201 ... -being-set



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07 Dec 2010, 3:19 pm

In 1958 a young Rupert Murdoch, then owner and editor of Adelaide’s The News, wrote: “In the race between secrecy and truth, it seems inevitable that truth will always win.”

His observation perhaps reflected his father Keith Murdoch’s expose that Australian troops were being needlessly sacrificed by incompetent British commanders on the shores of Gallipoli. The British tried to shut him up but Keith Murdoch would not be silenced and his efforts led to the termination of the disastrous Gallipoli campaign.

Nearly a century later, WikiLeaks is also fearlessly publishing facts that need to be made public.

I grew up in a Queensland country town where people spoke their minds bluntly. They distrusted big government as something that could be corrupted if not watched carefully. The dark days of corruption in the Queensland government before the Fitzgerald inquiry are testimony to what happens when the politicians gag the media from reporting the truth.

These things have stayed with me. WikiLeaks was created around these core values. The idea, conceived in Australia , was to use internet technologies in new ways to report the truth.

WikiLeaks coined a new type of journalism: scientific journalism. We work with other media outlets to bring people the news, but also to prove it is true. Scientific journalism allows you to read a news story, then to click online to see the original document it is based on. That way you can judge for yourself: Is the story true? Did the journalist report it accurately?

Democratic societies need a strong media and WikiLeaks is part of that media. The media helps keep government honest. WikiLeaks has revealed some hard truths about the Iraq and Afghan wars, and broken stories about corporate corruption.

People have said I am anti-war: for the record, I am not. Sometimes nations need to go to war, and there are just wars. But there is nothing more wrong than a government lying to its people about those wars, then asking these same citizens to put their lives and their taxes on the line for those lies. If a war is justified, then tell the truth and the people will decide whether to support it.

If you have read any of the Afghan or Iraq war logs, any of the US embassy cables or any of the stories about the things WikiLeaks has reported, consider how important it is for all media to be able to report these things freely.

WikiLeaks is not the only publisher of the US embassy cables. Other media outlets, including Britain ‘s The Guardian, The New York Times, El Pais in Spain and Der Spiegel in Germany have published the same redacted cables.

Yet it is WikiLeaks, as the co-ordinator of these other groups, that has copped the most vicious attacks and accusations from the US government and its acolytes. I have been accused of treason, even though I am an Australian, not a US, citizen. There have been dozens of serious calls in the US for me to be “taken out” by US special forces. Sarah Palin says I should be “hunted down like Osama bin Laden”, a Republican bill sits before the US Senate seeking to have me declared a “transnational threat” and disposed of accordingly. An adviser to the Canadian Prime Minister’s office has called on national television for me to be assassinated. An American blogger has called for my 20-year-old son, here in Australia, to be kidnapped and harmed for no other reason than to get at me.

And Australians should observe with no pride the disgraceful pandering to these sentiments by Prime Minister Gillard and US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton have not had a word of criticism for the other media organisations. That is because The Guardian, The New York Times and Der Spiegel are old and large, while WikiLeaks is as yet young and small.

We are the underdogs. The Gillard government is trying to shoot the messenger because it doesn’t want the truth revealed, including information about its own diplomatic and political dealings.

Has there been any response from the Australian government to the numerous public threats of violence against me and other WikiLeaks personnel? One might have thought an Australian prime minister would be defending her citizens against such things, but there have only been wholly unsubstantiated claims of illegality. The Prime Minister and especially the Attorney-General are meant to carry out their duties with dignity and above the fray. Rest assured, these two mean to save their own skins. They will not.

Every time WikiLeaks publishes the truth about abuses committed by US agencies, Australian politicians chant a provably false chorus with the State Department: “You’ll risk lives! National security! You’ll endanger troops!” Then they say there is nothing of importance in what WikiLeaks publishes. It can’t be both. Which is it?

It is neither. WikiLeaks has a four-year publishing history. During that time we have changed whole governments, but not a single person, as far as anyone is aware, has been harmed. But the US , with Australian government connivance, has killed thousands in the past few months alone.

US Secretary of Defence Robert Gates admitted in a letter to the US congress that no sensitive intelligence sources or methods had been compromised by the Afghan war logs disclosure. The Pentagon stated there was no evidence the WikiLeaks reports had led to anyone being harmed in Afghanistan . NATO in Kabul told CNN it couldn’t find a single person who needed protecting. The Australian Department of Defence said the same. No Australian troops or sources have been hurt by anything we have published.

But our publications have been far from unimportant. The US diplomatic cables reveal some startling facts:

The US asked its diplomats to steal personal human material and information from UN officials and human rights groups, including DNA, fingerprints, iris scans, credit card numbers, internet passwords and ID photos, in violation of international treaties. Presumably Australian UN diplomats may be targeted, too.

King Abdullah of Saudi Arabia asked the US Officials in Jordan and Bahrain want Iran ‘s nuclear program stopped by any means available.

Britain’s Iraq inquiry was fixed to protect “US interests”.

Sweden is a covert member of NATO and US intelligence sharing is kept from parliament.

The US is playing hardball to get other countries to take freed detainees from Guantanamo Bay . Barack Obama agreed to meet the Slovenian President only if Slovenia took a prisoner. Our Pacific neighbour Kiribati was offered millions of dollars to accept detainees.

In its landmark ruling in the Pentagon Papers case, the US Supreme Court said “only a free and unrestrained press can effectively expose deception in government”. The swirling storm around WikiLeaks today reinforces the need to defend the right of all media to reveal the truth.

Julian Assange is the editor-in-chief of WikiLeaks.


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07 Dec 2010, 3:20 pm

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Glenn Beck is weighing in on this he isn't sure which side is telling the truth on this.

http://nation.foxnews.com/wikileaks/201 ... -being-set


That's because if he has an opportunity to take a shot at a Democrat, he will.


/I'd rather take a shot at them all considering both sides are corrupt.


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07 Dec 2010, 3:59 pm

And now Visa have ceased payments to Wikileaks, as Mastercard and Paypal already have.

Oh, and Assange was refused bail.

And there are people who still think the US isn't involved?

Not much point fearing for your freedom when its already been wrenched from your grasp.


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07 Dec 2010, 4:03 pm

skafather84 wrote:
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Glenn Beck is weighing in on this he isn't sure which side is telling the truth on this.

http://nation.foxnews.com/wikileaks/201 ... -being-set


That's because if he has an opportunity to take a shot at a Democrat, he will.


/I'd rather take a shot at them all considering both sides are corrupt.


One minute you are praising Rupert Murdoch the next you are insulting his employees.

I wouldn't have a problem with wikileaks if the guy was more responsible on what he released. Some of the stuff he has released have put people's lives in danger.



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07 Dec 2010, 4:13 pm

That was a message from Julian Assange. I'm pretty sure Ska would never praise Rupert Murdoch lol.

But what leak specifically has put lives in danger? I'd think the war logs would of been possibly more upsetting in that regard but the Wikileaks story didn't blow up until the diplomatic cables were release. These people are afraid of losing their jobs and going to jail. People are waking up and seeing that this government are a bunch of liars and criminals.



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07 Dec 2010, 4:17 pm

I think there was at least one giving names of our informants in Afghanistan that help us differentiate the Taliban from civilians.



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07 Dec 2010, 4:26 pm

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I think there was at least one giving names of our informants in Afghanistan that help us differentiate the Taliban from civilians.


Which is more disturbing? The fact that these details have been posted on the net, or the fact that somebody allowed such vital information to be left so unsecured that it could be found in the first place?

Like the Mckinnon case before it, the Wikileaks fiasco is a rod of Americas own making, and quite frankly America deserves to get said rod jammed right up its fundamental.


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07 Dec 2010, 7:08 pm

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I think there was at least one giving names of our informants in Afghanistan that help us differentiate the Taliban from civilians.


you think? based on what? wikileaks job is to get information that our government hides from us, you can't expect them to do anything but at least at the moment.



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08 Dec 2010, 12:42 am

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I think there was at least one giving names of our informants in Afghanistan that help us differentiate the Taliban from civilians.

That's not what the defense secretary said.


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08 Dec 2010, 1:19 am

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I think there was at least one giving names of our informants in Afghanistan that help us differentiate the Taliban from civilians.

That's not what the defense secretary said.


At this point, I don't trust the Defense Secretary. He's already been caught lieing about the report concerning repealing DADT. I could see him lieing about this as well.



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08 Dec 2010, 1:32 am

Inuyasha wrote:
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I think there was at least one giving names of our informants in Afghanistan that help us differentiate the Taliban from civilians.

That's not what the defense secretary said.


At this point, I don't trust the Defense Secretary. He's already been caught lieing about the report concerning repealing DADT. I could see him lieing about this as well.

It matches what the defense agencies of every country involved have said. Now, I wouldn't be surprised that they would lie (after all, most of the cables document lies on the part of our governments) but it would be rather odd for them to lie in a way that makes it sound like Wikileaks is doing less harm than they actually are, considering they are desperate to portray Wikileaks and Assange as a menace to the Western world.


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