How can any aspie be socially conservative?

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Awesomelyglorious
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08 Dec 2010, 1:50 am

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I am not an American.

That's fine. The issue is whether you know what was meant or not.

My basic point is that your position isn't a matter of logic because objective values are not a monopoly of those politically socially conservative. I mean, a person could be a Christian and politically socially liberal. A person could also be of another religious belief and politically liberal. One could also be an ethicist and politically liberal.(and a lot of ethicists and political theorists are socially liberal)

You can substitute "liberal" for left-wing, but I think the meaning is somewhat clear in this context.



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08 Dec 2010, 3:44 am

Awesomelyglorious wrote:
91 wrote:
I am not an American.

That's fine. The issue is whether you know what was meant or not.

My basic point is that your position isn't a matter of logic because objective values are not a monopoly of those politically socially conservative. I mean, a person could be a Christian and politically socially liberal. A person could also be of another religious belief and politically liberal. One could also be an ethicist and politically liberal.(and a lot of ethicists and political theorists are socially liberal)

You can substitute "liberal" for left-wing, but I think the meaning is somewhat clear in this context.


Once again you are proving that just about anything can be fit under those two umbrellas. If we take it at its practical meaning in my own country a person who is socially left wing, supports issues that are put forward by the group that identifies itself under that banner; such issues include abortion, legalization of prostitution, euthanasia and the legalization of recreational drugs. These views are put forward by political entities (such as the Greens and the Labor Party Left Wing Faction) and use language that emphasizes the relativity of morality. In the practical sense, what I said is correct. While someone could conceivably hold to those positions and still believe in objective moral values, those parroting them in the practical sense clearly do not.

You have rightly indicated that the link between left wing views and relativism is not necessary; but in practice it does exist. Go check out a speech on religion by a member of the Australian Greens. (http://www.parliament.nsw.gov.au/Prod/p ... LC20100609), See John Kay defend teaching relativist ethics in schools

I especially like this part:

The Daily Telegraph wrote:
A volunteer instructor complains: “The most difficult thing … was actually encouraging the children that there was no right or wrong answer.”
(http://blogs.news.com.au/dailytelegraph ... t_ethics/F)


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08 Dec 2010, 10:14 am

petitesouris wrote:
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The war on drugs is a good example of this.


The war on drugs is not unique to conservatism. It is more like common sense. I take it you have never been to a high school where the only way to avoid having classmates who smoke pot in front of the teacher is to take all honors and APs. Why anyone would willfully kill their neurons is beyond me.


That's odd. Back in my day, the honors kids were the potheads.



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09 Dec 2010, 4:59 pm

petitesouris wrote:
I do not want to generalize, but it seems that aspies are more individualistic. Social/cultural conservatives, especially paleocons, value community traditions and ties that they think are "transcendent" even if this means having a static society with unyeilding hierarchies. Aspies might also value what social connections they have, but it seems as if social connectedness cannot be forced on them, for the same reason that they might find it hard to be interested in something unless they are intrinsically motivated by it. Likewise, aspies might prefer to be connected to the world of ideas than to groups of people and seem to find their purpose in life in whatever passions they have.


I would generally agree. Though I find the liberal/conservative labels restrictive, I'll say now that I am surprised to see how many aspies do actually identify as conservatives, although they still seem to be outnumbered by aspies who identify as liberals - which is what I would expect.

Really, it's not too difficult for me to see why so many aspies are liberals. To me, liberals are people whose natural, healthy instincts have been suppressed in favour of ideological abstractions, either for self-serving reasons or because of social conditioning. But aspies are people who do not naturally possess those instincts to the same extent in the first place. I might add that a fair few conservative aspies as far as I can see might equally be described as "classic liberals" (in favour of "liberty", small government, and not much else).