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26 Feb 2011, 11:44 pm

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You all do realize that if we added a men's forum another group would be right behind you complaining about a forum they want, right? Making the same arguments you are making now, just as upset as you are now.


It depends on the request. Not all requests are reasonable, but a request for a man's forum is just as reasonable as a request for woman's forum. Do you agree with that?


Depends on the reason. "Men should have a forum because women do" is not a reasonable request. It's selfish and petty. Requesting a men's forum because there are men's issues that people want to discuss, and will discuss if there's such a forum, that's a reasonable request.


In what way is it selfish and petty? I thought men and women were on an equal level ... therefore equal rights?


As I said in my post 2 post above that one (top of page 8), it's not about rights. Insisting that a forum should exist because, you say, you have a right to it, with no evidence given of anyone having a desire to use such a forum, that's selfish and petty.


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26 Feb 2011, 11:47 pm

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You all do realize that if we added a men's forum another group would be right behind you complaining about a forum they want, right? Making the same arguments you are making now, just as upset as you are now.


It depends on the request. Not all requests are reasonable, but a request for a man's forum is just as reasonable as a request for woman's forum. Do you agree with that?


Depends on the reason. "Men should have a forum because women do" is not a reasonable request. It's selfish and petty. Requesting a men's forum because there are men's issues that people want to discuss, and will discuss if there's such a forum, that's a reasonable request.


In what way is it selfish and petty? I thought men and women were on an equal level ... therefore equal rights?


I have no problem with a mens forum. As far as I know it's been tried and failed though. Guys very often seek female interaction at any opportunity, especially aspie guys, whereas females often try and find a bit of privacy away from guys.


But I'm sure I would like to have some discussions with my fellow Aspie men on how to develop more masculine traits (for example) without interruption from women members (no disrespect intended) who claim they know more about masculinity than men do and think they can give me better advices.

The above is just an example. But we have our own needs and issues, too.



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26 Feb 2011, 11:49 pm

Mysty wrote:
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You all do realize that if we added a men's forum another group would be right behind you complaining about a forum they want, right? Making the same arguments you are making now, just as upset as you are now.


It depends on the request. Not all requests are reasonable, but a request for a man's forum is just as reasonable as a request for woman's forum. Do you agree with that?


Depends on the reason. "Men should have a forum because women do" is not a reasonable request. It's selfish and petty. Requesting a men's forum because there are men's issues that people want to discuss, and will discuss if there's such a forum, that's a reasonable request.


In what way is it selfish and petty? I thought men and women were on an equal level ... therefore equal rights?


As I said in my post 2 post above that one (top of page 8), it's not about rights. Insisting that a forum should exist because, you say, you have a right to it, with no evidence given of anyone having a desire to use such a forum, that's selfish and petty.


You should check the thread called "Men's forum" (or something like that) in the WrongPlanet.net discussion section.



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26 Feb 2011, 11:52 pm

MCalavera wrote:
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You all do realize that if we added a men's forum another group would be right behind you complaining about a forum they want, right? Making the same arguments you are making now, just as upset as you are now.


It depends on the request. Not all requests are reasonable, but a request for a man's forum is just as reasonable as a request for woman's forum. Do you agree with that?


Depends on the reason. "Men should have a forum because women do" is not a reasonable request. It's selfish and petty. Requesting a men's forum because there are men's issues that people want to discuss, and will discuss if there's such a forum, that's a reasonable request.


In what way is it selfish and petty? I thought men and women were on an equal level ... therefore equal rights?


I have no problem with a mens forum. As far as I know it's been tried and failed though. Guys very often seek female interaction at any opportunity, especially aspie guys, whereas females often try and find a bit of privacy away from guys.


But I'm sure I would like to have some discussions with my fellow Aspie men on how to develop more masculine traits (for example) without interruption from women members (no disrespect intended) who claim they know more about masculinity than men do and think they can give me better advices.

The above is just an example. But we have our own needs and issues, too.


I have no problem with that at all. If you can persuade Alex to give it another try, then I would have no problem with it at all. I'm not arguing against a mens forum, so good luck to you if you really want to try and get one started.

In fact, if you have good reasons for wanting it, I'd even support it :lol:



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27 Feb 2011, 1:29 am

Being gay and Aspie, my experience is different than other Aspies and other gay men. There are a substantial enough number of us that it makes sense to have a common place for our threads.

Are gay clubs an affront to straight club goers? Are gay bookstores an affront to straight readers? When straight, white men have trouble talking about their issues, then the case can be made.


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27 Feb 2011, 1:38 am

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I think the formula for getting a separate subforum is pretty simple: convince Alex there is a large desire for it, and that it would used. Most of the forums have been set up because Alex thought they were a good idea; it's his sole decision. When a request has been made often enough and by enough different people, it catches his attention and he either moves forward with it or rejects it. Some forums have been tried and removed due to lack of activity. Basically, what exists conforms to the needs of the current population as evidenced by where and how they post. It's not that much more philosophically more complicated, in my observation. While explanations exist, they aren't the final point, IMHO.


I think it just proves you get extra rights if you're one of these "minorites" on the site. Or if you're female. So you think if the forum doesn't work, it'll get removed? Will it folk.


I very much believe that if it has lttle traffic it will get removed. So far, however, traffic does not seem to be a problem.


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27 Feb 2011, 2:06 am

MCalavera wrote:
But I'm sure I would like to have some discussions with my fellow Aspie men on how to develop more masculine traits (for example) without interruption from women members (no disrespect intended) who claim they know more about masculinity than men do and think they can give me better advices.

The above is just an example. But we have our own needs and issues, too.


Now here is the first time I've heard a suggestion of WHY such a forum might be desired, instead of just another "it's only fair" whine. Thing is, forums like much of life are dependent upon supply and demand. No demand = no supply. Are you going to cry "unfair" when a public location builds more stalls in the women's restroom so that the line doesn't go out the door? I would hope not; simple reality is women use the restroom more than men do. "Fair" isn't part of the equation, but USE, is.

In my experience the guys say they want a men's forum because they see that there is a women's forum, but they don't actually have a huge desire to go IN one, except maybe to josh around about sex, which is already done on the restricted forums. But if you seriously think you would engage in long discussions with other men about issues unique to men, that would be different. Still, broad generalization ... men don't have a track record of discussing serious stuff alone with the guys, so how much demand would there really be?


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27 Feb 2011, 3:43 am

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Murphcop is spEaking his bRanes again i see. Too bad he hasn't got any.

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27 Feb 2011, 4:09 am

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You do kinda have a point there, although I have admitted that when I first joined the site I was really just winding up Parakeet :lol:

While I took him seriously, and felt that he believed what he was saying, I do have a funny feeling that you're just on the wind-up :lol:


BTW, are the fake profiles of me going to be deleted?



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27 Feb 2011, 4:13 am

Yah, I agree. I get mad that there's a hair section specifically for black people. Where's the white people hair section at? Where's the justice in that. Why is it that they make Afro sheen only for people of African descent. Maybe as a white person, I want one too. Have they thought about it. :afro: This is such an inequality. At least in the south, when white people were labeling restrooms, they were kind enough to give black people their own labeled restroom too. Its an injustice I tells ya! ...an injustice! I don't get my own caucasian hair product section, let alone so much as white guy afro pick! I'm gonna go cry over my straight, white person hair now. :cry:



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27 Feb 2011, 5:08 am

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Yah, I agree ...

I'm gonna go cry over my straight, white person hair now. :cry:

Ah, so you think you should be special, eh?!

Me too ... but I just cannot figure out what kind of forum to demand for us "me too, wah, wah" people! :wink:


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27 Feb 2011, 8:06 am

MCalavera wrote:
Mysty wrote:
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You all do realize that if we added a men's forum another group would be right behind you complaining about a forum they want, right? Making the same arguments you are making now, just as upset as you are now.


It depends on the request. Not all requests are reasonable, but a request for a man's forum is just as reasonable as a request for woman's forum. Do you agree with that?


Depends on the reason. "Men should have a forum because women do" is not a reasonable request. It's selfish and petty. Requesting a men's forum because there are men's issues that people want to discuss, and will discuss if there's such a forum, that's a reasonable request.


In what way is it selfish and petty? I thought men and women were on an equal level ... therefore equal rights?


As I said in my post 2 post above that one (top of page 8), it's not about rights. Insisting that a forum should exist because, you say, you have a right to it, with no evidence given of anyone having a desire to use such a forum, that's selfish and petty.


You should check the thread called "Men's forum" (or something like that) in the WrongPlanet.net discussion section.


No, I'm not the one who claims to want a men's forum, nor the one who has the power to grant one.


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27 Feb 2011, 8:09 am

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No, I'm not the one who claims to want a men's forum, nor the one who has the power to grant one.


Then stop acting like you do.



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27 Feb 2011, 8:21 am

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No, I'm not the one who claims to want a men's forum, nor the one who has the power to grant one.


Then stop acting like you do.


I haven't done either. (I'm not sure which of those you think I'm acting like I'm doing, but, whichever, I haven't.)

I don't have to be Alex to take part in the dicussion here, just as others are, just as you are, and to comment on what others say, giving my own opinion in turn.

Furthermore, it's not like I'm replying to a request for such a forum. Such a request, after all, would be in it's own thread (and there is a recent thread on the topic) or in a private message to Alex, which I wouldn't see. It's a topic of discussion, not a request, and I'm replying as such.


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27 Feb 2011, 9:15 am

iamnotaparakeet wrote:
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Why does this bother you?


Indeed, why does this bother you? And why now?


Why now? I'd only just seen the forum. Double standards and hypocrisy does annoy me. Maybe it shouldn't, but it does. Especially if anyone like this is fretting about being treated badly. I'd be happier if someone just admitted it was wrong and its tough luck.


catering to a population specifically and not its opposite isn't hypocrisy or a double standard when that population is lesser in distribution of people. When being straight is the exception and not the rule perhaps we can look at adding a straight forum. I dont see why it should bother you.


Oh, so only minorities are to be catered to?


Not what I meant. We have a black history month in the US, why is there no white history month? catering a specific minority population, when the majority is well catered to already is not a terrible thing. There was request for a long time to have an LGBT forum because there were many topics of discussion that people wanted to bring up but were afraid of bigotry or lack of understanding. Thus we have an LGBT forum.

its also worth nothing, you dont have to fit the category LGBT to post in the LGBT forum, and you can bring up LGBT related topics in the rest of the forums.



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27 Feb 2011, 9:55 am

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[, why is there no white history month? .


Colours of history topic

Since you are a mod, I am surprised at this question.

History is usually written by the people who win the war, in the dominant language. African North Americans did not write their own history until about 50-60 years ago. What ever history was recorded about them (usually unfavourable) was written by whites. Until minorities can write their own history, the majority culture calls the shots, and those shots are usually used to wipe minorities out, or to view them in terms of the majority white culture.

Black History month is about those who identify with African heritage in the countries they reside. In North America, there is a month (February) set aside to remember such history in Canada and the US. I think the month should be called North American African Heritage History Month, but for ease of editing I suppose the label "Black" will do.

So-called "White " History is anything written by white people. We celebrate this history in most of the courses in schools. Such history encompasses European and other ancient civilizations such as Roman, Greek, and Mesopotamean, and the rise of written language and agriculture, because this is what has been mostly recorded. Of course now there are languages and pictograph records found in non-white parts of the world which are being studied, and minority culture historians are revisiting and writing their own history from their point of culture. 8)


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