Are Jews Basically "Fellow Christians?"

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So, what are their intentions? Isn't their support of Israel all about

1. Currying blessings for themselves from God; and

2. Getting ready for the rapture, etc.?

Second, Jesus is supposed to be the Son of God, that doesn't mean he is God.

I'm sorry that some people are so misinformed that they would accuse you of stuff like that. Those responsible for the death of Jesus consisted of a few corrupt individuals, not the Jewish people as a whole. That's like blaming every atheist for the actions of Mao or Joseph Stalin, it's stupid and only creates more bigotry. He was also supposed to be the sacrifice that absolved everyone of their sins, and in his case death wasn't as final for him as it would be for the rest of us.

So, what are their intentions? Isn't their support of Israel all about

1. Currying blessings for themselves from God; and

2. Getting ready for the rapture, etc.?

Well, at least neither of these two reasons are as offensive as

3. Befriend Jews in order to convert them

which, by the way, also takes place.

By the way, as far as reason number 1 ... if one believes that God is just, then one must SINERELY think that blessing Jews is a just thing to do. If one were to try to get favors from some HUMAN organization by blessing Jews then, of course, that would be a different story. In this case one can say "Jews don't really deserve the blessings, but such and such corrupt organization wants to bless them so let us please that organization". In case of God, they won't be able to say that, unless they are majorly accusing God of injustice. So, in case of God, whatever they say would win favor is, indeed, something they SINCERELY believe in.

As far as the second reason, same thing. Its not like they have to please some HUMAN agency in order to "prepare for rapture". Rather, it is because they feel thats what God wants. Again, since they belive God is just, it means they ALSO believe it is a justice to please Jews. Thus, they must be sincere about it, rapture or not.

The latest pope Benny 16, the Panzerpope will soon change that. I do wish he would say Amen! instead of Sieg Hiel.

ruveyn

You do realize every German Boy in the 1930s-45, was required by law to join the Hitler Youth Movement when the Nazis controlled Germany. The question is how is he as an adult.

Okay, first generally when you talk about me you usually are using smear tactics. Which is one of the reasons why I have such a low opinion of you.

Second, Jesus is supposed to be the Son of God, that doesn't mean he is God. Since God created Jesus inside of Mary's womb, he is God's son on the basis he is a creation of God.

Both the Jewish Religion and Christianity worship the same God,

the Old Testament has Jewish roots. Additionally, Jesus Christ was Jewish!

Third, as far as only Christians and Jewish people getting to heaven, I really wouldn't know cause I'm not God, and I'm still in the land of the living.

Fourth, I really could care less what a bunch of idiots says.

Methodists and Catholics are both sects of Christianity.

Fifth, Jesus usually didn't run around claiming he was the Son of God.

In summary, Christians and Jews believe in the same God, whom is a loving God and thus the question as to Jesus's divinity is probably answered when an individual arrives at the Gates of Heaven.

I'm sorry that some people are so misinformed that they would accuse you of stuff like that. Those responsible for the death of Jesus consisted of a few corrupt individuals, not the Jewish people as a whole. That's like blaming every atheist for the actions of Mao or Joseph Stalin, it's stupid and only creates more bigotry. He was also supposed to be the sacrifice that absolved everyone of their sins, and in his case death wasn't as final for him as it would be for the rest of us.

Those responsible for the death of Jesus consisted of a few corrupt individuals, not the Jewish people as a whole. .

You don't have a target pointed on your tender pink a**. I do. It is easy for you to say, since you are neither a target nor a victim. I still feel some of the lumps given to me by anti-semites when I was a kid. In fact one of the reasons I had to learn how to fight dirty was to defend myself against anti-semites. I wish I had a hundred dollars for every time I was told to my face that I, me, personally killed Christ. I would be rich.

I would advise you not to speak of things whereof you are totally blind as a bat ignorant.

ruveyn

ruveyn

I am surprised that you are a Christian and you insist that there will be NEVER a persecution in America. At the very least, you have to agree that there WILL be a persecution of Christians by the antichrist. Some non-Christian groups (which might well include Jews) might be thrown in to be persecutted together with Christians. One reason for this might be Jewish refusal to worship antichrist (because it is idolatry) or to take microchip implant (because the Jewish law prohibits putting implants into the body), or the Jewish opposition to peace treaty that antichrist would try to push, and the list goes on and on.

One of the main reasons the Jews were persecutted before (not only by Christians but also by Muslims and communists, let alone pre-Christian times when they suffered under Pharaoh in Egypet and in Babilon) is that they don't "go along with a program". In some cases it is good: they would refuse to worship false gods of babylon or adhere to communism. In other cases it is bad: they refused Christianity. But the bottom line is that it is their character. They have independant minds, whatever it leads to. Thus, their "independant minds" created Christianity and communism and, at the same time, they were too independant to stick with the ideologies they themselves created. Thus, most original christians were Jews, and Jews are also the only people in the Christian nations that refused to accept Christianity. Liewise, Most original communists were Jews, and the biggest opposition to communism also came from the Jews.

It is very likely the same trend might be repeated when antichrist will come. Jews will be the first ones to hail him as their messiah; but then when he will claim to be god himself Jews will quickly turn their backs on him since this will be idolatry. As a result, they might well be prime targets of persecution, even if they will continue to refuse Christianity. After all, antichrist's beef is not just with Christians but with anyone and everyone who refuses to go along with the program. This might well include Jews. I read that there is some evidence that they plan to get rid of 92% of the population that are considered to be "not authentically human" (see http://www.moresureword.com/GAStones.htm ).

Given that antichrist might well pretend to be Christian, this might, in fact, be "Christian persecution of Jews" all over again. In fact, in order for antichrist to deceive Christians, he will HAVE to impersonate Jesus. Since Jews are determined not to accept Jesus, they will reject antichrist the moment he does it. And then, while pretending to be "Jesus" he will persecute Jews for rejecting him on his second comming and then, again pretending to be jesus, also "add" the fact that Jews supposedly crucified him on his first comming.

No they are not. They split with the Christians on the issue of Christ's divinity and status as Messiah. They are in a sense Anti-Christians. They are more like the Muslims really though the Muslims see Jesus as prophet, not criminal. The dietary laws, the strict monotheism, and so forth, more like Islam, which is why many Jews in Palestine converted to Islam when it was taken over. It was a natural switch.

We'd tell those sons of b*****s: NO!

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer

My God! You would go so far as to use harsh language? I am totally underwhelmed.

If that bad day comes, I know exactly who not to rely on.

ruveyn

I'll try to tone down my language from now on if you're so sensitive to it.
And by the way, if I came across as condescending as the "God blesses those who bless Israel" evangelicals I'm so fond of criticizing, I apologize. I suppose I was sort of taken up in the moment.
If, in fact, Antisemites try taking you away to gas or shoot, I promise I'll take my replica Frankish throwing axe, and go down swinging smashing skulls. Hope you find that more reassuring.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer