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Obviously the answer is yes. We also have another member who would like to go back to the good old days when we disenfranchised non-property-owners. I don't think these closet authoritarians fully comprehend what the consequences of that course of action would be.

Um--physician? I think I have seen far more cases of CP in my time than you--and that doesn't even fall within my area of practice.

In the city where I live, every bus in the public transit fleet is capable of carrying a motorized wheelchair. Every single one of them. The full size buses can carry two, while the community shuttles can only carry one. And that's not even considering the specialized public transit system that exists specifically for people with severe disabilities who cannot get to their nearest bus stop (that system provides door-to-door service).

In addition, every taxi company has accessible vehicles that can carry a motorized chair.



You are understandably skeptical, because you are a close minded, partisan bigot who relies on anecdotal evidence, conjecture and hyperbole.

I know that you aren't stupid--but unfortunately that leads me to conclude that you are too lazy to do the intellectual labour of thinking for yourself.

I am well aware that I have crossed a line here, and have presented myself as pompous and patronizing. I will probably regret that in the morning. But at least that demonstrates that you do have one singular skill--the ability to get me to fly off the handle. Those who know me will know how difficult a task that is.

I'm aware of the fact they are supposed to be able to carry it, that doesn't mean they easily can. I have in fact seen a bus for people in wheelchairs, while it can handle some motorized wheelchairs it can't handle all of them.



Explains the incident of a CBS affiliate plotting to concoct a story about a Republican Candidate being affiliated with pedophiles, which was caught on tape, and now taken off youtube (surprise, surprise).


Transcript:
FEMALE REPORTER: That’s up to you because you’re the expert, but that’s what I would
do…I’d wait until you see who showed up because that indicates we already know
something…
[Laughter]
[INAUDIBLE]
FEMALE REPORTER: Child molesters…
MALE REPORTER: Oh yeah… can you repeat Joe Miller’s…uh… list of people, campaign
workers, which one’s the molester?
[INAUDIBLE]
FEMALE VOICE: We know that out of all the people that will show up tonight, at least one of
them will be a registered sex offender.
[Laughter]
MALE REPORTER: You have to find that one person…
[INAUDIBLE]
FEMALE REPORTER: And the one thing we can do is ….we won’t know….we won’t know but
if there is any sort of chaos whatsoever we can put out a twitter/facebook alert: saying what
the… ‘Hey Joe Miller punched at rally.’
FEMALE REPORTER: Kinda like Rand Paul…I like that.
[Laughter]
FEMALE REPORTER: That’s a good one.
http://hotair.com/archives/2010/10/31/m ... ing-smear/

So... Did Joe Miller have a sex offender working for him? I mean, from the transcript, it doesn't so much as sound like they were setting him up, but were planning to expose an embarrassing fact.
Beside, no one had set Miller up, as he was a fundie nutcase who had a reporter handcuffed by his personal security. It was the police who made them let the reporter go. In other words, there was plenty about this idiot that would have made him a target of ridicule and derision without being set up.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer

Joe Miller did not have a sex offender working for him. The CBS crew forgot to hang up their phone after calling the Miller Campaign, so his answering machine recorded the CBS reporters' conversation.

It is nearly 3 am in the morning ,so for now, I am not going to argue with you over the dubious claims you have made concerning Parenti. I ,as soon as possible, will engage with you in a full debate concerning your claims.I must ask you at this time however,just what are your credentials ? What books have you wrote ? Have you traveled to any of the nations in question ? Do you, like Parenti,hold a doctorate of history,and or political science ? Now of course, it is possible to be indipendently well educated,but please do not expect me to discredit the theories and opinions of one of the most verifiably educated persons of our time,simply because you claim this person has presented factual errors.

Concerning MSM being ''left Wing,'' left wing,or left of what exactly ? Which broadcasting company has advocated the nationalization of our nations natural resources ? Has FOX advocated that corporations be stripped of their legal personhood status ? Which media conglamorite has unhesitantly railed against the privitization of this countries public assests,and social services ? Has MSNBC unabashedly pointed out that the Rebublican sociopolitical agenda is essentialy a fascist agenda ? Again,I ask you,MSM is Left of what and whom ?

I repeat my statement--every city bus in this municipality can carry any wheelchair. If cities in the United States are unable to keep pace with cities in Canada, that's a very telling statement about the failure of your society.



Thank you for not taking me to task on my slide into bad behavior. Now back to the argument at hand.

I don't think you are demonstrating anything new here. Journalists are in the business of selling advertising, which means extending their reach. Given the stunningly low attention span of the contemporary body politic, journalists of every political stripe have to continue reaching for the lurid, the provocative and the strange. It doesn't matter whether you are conservative, liberal or from Mars, you aren't going to sell a paper or get a hit on your blog unless you are providing a message that your audience wants to hear.

So what's the story here? That "liberal" journalists are unethical? Or that we have accepted that the business of disseminating news has become an entertainment business in which we no long expect any of the participants to adhere to any level of integrity?

I have no tolerance for unethical journalistic practice, regardless of the place on the spectrum from whence it emerges. "A plague on all their houses," say I, apologizing to Shakespeare and reaching for this week's Economist.

I'm sure the Bard pardons thee.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer

The ADA covers public transportation quite thoroughly here. http://www.fta.dot.gov/civilrights/civi ... _2360.html Just because Inuyasha's "seen a bus for people in wheelchairs," doesn't mean he has any idea of what he's talking about. Accommodations for disabled people are mandatory. Occasionally, there might be an accessibility/availability issue, but it's the exception, not the norm and it's not different than an able-bodied person not getting a ride because the bus is full.

I'm a bit put off by Inuyasha's ignorant notion that that a physically disabled man couldn't possibly get to a town meeting on his own. Is it more challenging? Yes, of course, but so what? Who are we to judge a person's priorities? Do you (Inuyasha) really think that disabled people just sit in their homes on lock down all day? Do you really think size and ease of transport are not a factors when shopping for a wheelchair? Do you think everything that happens is part of some sort of liberal conspiracy to smear conservatives?

In fact, when my wife and I were attending a Democratic party caucus in our area a while back, I recall one of the people present was a disabled, wheelchair bound man. He had made it a priority to attend, and I doubt he was the only such disabled person to do so in this country.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer

Yes, he does. And there is no point in trying to reason with him.

I'm not saying a disabled person can't make it to a town hall meeting on their own. I'm pointing out, that there is a possibility that this disabled person can do work for living, and I would have no problem if he were getting government assistance if he was holding a job and still needed assistance. Now if he was on disability due to a job injury, then that is something different altogether and really I would say his former workplace should be coughing up the cash to reimburse the government. I am aware that social security disability needs a serious overhaul because it actually punishes people for making over a certain amount per month, even when that period is only for like a certain time period.

I am also aware of things like chronic fatigue syndrome, which can result from actual brain damage, that would inhibit someone from doing a full-time job, someone with that condition can pull themselves together for a bit and take on a high stress situation and then collapse for days in order to recover.

I'm basically saying the entire situation smells fishy, because if someone was severely disabled from cerebral palsy, people wouldn't be reacting that way towards the individual unless it was a setup. The overwhelming majority of Tea Partiers, would publicly admonish the individuals shouting at this individual. Furthermore, people tend to be more sympathetic towards people in a wheelchair, because it is a disability that they can see.

Whether you like it or not, my friend, people associated with the tea party can be as rude and obnoxious as anyone else. And I don't think that any of us are saying just because some a**hole tea baggers had acted badly by trying to humiliate and dehumanize this unfortunate, disabled man, that all tea party members are going to do it. This is the same kind of situation as when racist signs appeared at Tea party rallies, the leadership either claimed it was actually liberal plants, or rather lamely claimed that they couldn't control everyone at their demonstrations. If you want the tea party to be seen as a legitimate political element, I would suggest that you stop making excuses for their behavior, or stop trying to palm it off as the work of liberal agent provocateurs, and demand that your friends clean up their act.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer

It seems to me that it smells fishy becuase you want to think the best of people who share your point of view. It's very easy to demonize the person who disagrees with you (as so many so-called "progressives" demonstrate in this very forum). It's much harder to acknowledge that your fellow travellers have feet of clay.

I don't deny that it's possible that the entire event was staged. But almost anything in this world is possible. Pointing out that something is possible means nothing. From my perspective (which is no freer of bias than yours) it is neither likely, probable nor credible.

No. I can picture a bunch of selfish people reacting that way towards someone shaming them. "Healthcare isn't a right" is their motto.

If healthcare is a right then it is the doctor's DUTY to treat. DUTY is that which is imposed on slaves. Free person perform services they chose to perform and are usually paid for their services.

Your premise is that human A has a DUTY to help human B, just because human B -needs- the help. You have left choice out.

ruveyn