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blauSamstag wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
blauSamstag wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
I don't think anyone is going to say people like Steve Jobs were lazy.
And I for one don't have a gripe against people with money. What really pisses me off, though, is when Fox, or the tea party, or any other conservative groups or individuals maintain that the rich are of more worth than those of us without money, because they might create jobs, or should have more political say, because they have more to lose than the rest of us. Or how tax cuts for the rich will "someday" ensure jobs in America, but having a social safety net preserved for the rest of us creates a "culture of dependency." Being belittled as a citizen and as a person is at the root of my hostility toward the moneyed right and their minions, not envy for what they have.
And by the way, my Bible class at church is studying the book of Amos, and a constant theme there is that God was threatening to destroy Israel, because of how the rich were living in the lap of luxury at the expense of the poor.
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
And I for one don't have a gripe against people with money. What really pisses me off, though, is when Fox, or the tea party, or any other conservative groups or individuals maintain that the rich are of more worth than those of us without money, because they might create jobs, or should have more political say, because they have more to lose than the rest of us. Or how tax cuts for the rich will "someday" ensure jobs in America, but having a social safety net preserved for the rest of us creates a "culture of dependency." Being belittled as a citizen and as a person is at the root of my hostility toward the moneyed right and their minions, not envy for what they have.
And by the way, my Bible class at church is studying the book of Amos, and a constant theme there is that God was threatening to destroy Israel, because of how the rich were living in the lap of luxury at the expense of the poor.
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
That's not what Fox News, the Tea Party, etc. have said.
The wealthiest 1% as you call them pay over half the Federal Income tax. I'm going to be blunt, if you want all these programs you need to start paying your fair share, maybe you will change your mind when Government is wasting your money rather than just somebody else's.
I can never understand how conservatives can take the side of the rich as downtrodden and taken advantage of, even though they can afford to be taxed, whereas the rest of us are the bad guys for not paying "our fair share," even though it might be financially disastrous for us. And what, pray tell, is my fair share?
Probably 5 to 15% of your income and when rich people's taxes go up, yours go up accordingly.
Dude, do you have no clue how tax brackets work?
If the top tax bracket is increased from 35% to 50% and you earn less than $372,951 in a year, your taxes go up not one red cent.
You could be taxing them at 100% and take away all their assets and we would only run the government for like 2 months.
What you are advocating is debunked by basic math, we can't afford all the garbage that you want tax money spent on.
Repealing George W Bush's tax cuts for the wealthiest americans would net us 10 trillion dollars over the next 10 years. This is not disputed by anybody. Don't you think it might help? Also, we happen to know that they do just fine at that rate.
If you're gullable enough to believe that, it wouldn't surprise me if people scam you daily.
http://www.financialsamurai.com/2011/04 ... e-percent/
blauSamstag wrote:
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I'm taking the "wealthy's" side in this because they are the ones that are being wronged here, not the poor. It's easy to spend other people's money Kraichgauer, but you would take a much different stance if it was your money being wasted.
And the wealthy thank you. But you're a chump.
The Democrat Socialist party thanks you, and you're the chump not me.
wow man that was a total burn.
The wealthy built their fortunes on the backs of the working class. If they had paid fair wages we wouldn't need these programs you say we can't afford.
So Steve Jobs built his fortune on the backs of the working class huh? Actually, Steve Jobs got his fortune by developing something that people were willing to pay money to buy. Nobody forces people to buy an I-phone for instance.
All this looks like is you are jealous of someone else being successful.
17 Nov 2011, 10:52 pm
Inuyasha wrote:
blauSamstag wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
blauSamstag wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
I don't think anyone is going to say people like Steve Jobs were lazy.
And I for one don't have a gripe against people with money. What really pisses me off, though, is when Fox, or the tea party, or any other conservative groups or individuals maintain that the rich are of more worth than those of us without money, because they might create jobs, or should have more political say, because they have more to lose than the rest of us. Or how tax cuts for the rich will "someday" ensure jobs in America, but having a social safety net preserved for the rest of us creates a "culture of dependency." Being belittled as a citizen and as a person is at the root of my hostility toward the moneyed right and their minions, not envy for what they have.
And by the way, my Bible class at church is studying the book of Amos, and a constant theme there is that God was threatening to destroy Israel, because of how the rich were living in the lap of luxury at the expense of the poor.
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
And I for one don't have a gripe against people with money. What really pisses me off, though, is when Fox, or the tea party, or any other conservative groups or individuals maintain that the rich are of more worth than those of us without money, because they might create jobs, or should have more political say, because they have more to lose than the rest of us. Or how tax cuts for the rich will "someday" ensure jobs in America, but having a social safety net preserved for the rest of us creates a "culture of dependency." Being belittled as a citizen and as a person is at the root of my hostility toward the moneyed right and their minions, not envy for what they have.
And by the way, my Bible class at church is studying the book of Amos, and a constant theme there is that God was threatening to destroy Israel, because of how the rich were living in the lap of luxury at the expense of the poor.
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
That's not what Fox News, the Tea Party, etc. have said.
The wealthiest 1% as you call them pay over half the Federal Income tax. I'm going to be blunt, if you want all these programs you need to start paying your fair share, maybe you will change your mind when Government is wasting your money rather than just somebody else's.
I can never understand how conservatives can take the side of the rich as downtrodden and taken advantage of, even though they can afford to be taxed, whereas the rest of us are the bad guys for not paying "our fair share," even though it might be financially disastrous for us. And what, pray tell, is my fair share?
Probably 5 to 15% of your income and when rich people's taxes go up, yours go up accordingly.
Dude, do you have no clue how tax brackets work?
If the top tax bracket is increased from 35% to 50% and you earn less than $372,951 in a year, your taxes go up not one red cent.
You could be taxing them at 100% and take away all their assets and we would only run the government for like 2 months.
What you are advocating is debunked by basic math, we can't afford all the garbage that you want tax money spent on.
Repealing George W Bush's tax cuts for the wealthiest americans would net us 10 trillion dollars over the next 10 years. This is not disputed by anybody. Don't you think it might help? Also, we happen to know that they do just fine at that rate.
If you're gullable enough to believe that, it wouldn't surprise me if people scam you daily.
http://www.financialsamurai.com/2011/04 ... e-percent/
That data is not relevant to what i said.
What i said was that if we repeal the upper 3rd tier of the bush tax cuts, we get another 10 trillion dollars over the next 10 years. This is according to the CBO. Even republicans admit it.
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I'm taking the "wealthy's" side in this because they are the ones that are being wronged here, not the poor. It's easy to spend other people's money Kraichgauer, but you would take a much different stance if it was your money being wasted.
And the wealthy thank you. But you're a chump.
The Democrat Socialist party thanks you, and you're the chump not me.
wow man that was a total burn.
The wealthy built their fortunes on the backs of the working class. If they had paid fair wages we wouldn't need these programs you say we can't afford.
So Steve Jobs built his fortune on the backs of the working class huh? Actually, Steve Jobs got his fortune by developing something that people were willing to pay money to buy. Nobody forces people to buy an I-phone for instance.
All this looks like is you are jealous of someone else being successful.
Steve Jobs built his fortune working engineers 90 hours a week on 40 hours of pay and having teenagers in china build his electronics.
18 Nov 2011, 12:04 am
blauSamstag wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
blauSamstag wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
blauSamstag wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
I don't think anyone is going to say people like Steve Jobs were lazy.
And I for one don't have a gripe against people with money. What really pisses me off, though, is when Fox, or the tea party, or any other conservative groups or individuals maintain that the rich are of more worth than those of us without money, because they might create jobs, or should have more political say, because they have more to lose than the rest of us. Or how tax cuts for the rich will "someday" ensure jobs in America, but having a social safety net preserved for the rest of us creates a "culture of dependency." Being belittled as a citizen and as a person is at the root of my hostility toward the moneyed right and their minions, not envy for what they have.
And by the way, my Bible class at church is studying the book of Amos, and a constant theme there is that God was threatening to destroy Israel, because of how the rich were living in the lap of luxury at the expense of the poor.
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
And I for one don't have a gripe against people with money. What really pisses me off, though, is when Fox, or the tea party, or any other conservative groups or individuals maintain that the rich are of more worth than those of us without money, because they might create jobs, or should have more political say, because they have more to lose than the rest of us. Or how tax cuts for the rich will "someday" ensure jobs in America, but having a social safety net preserved for the rest of us creates a "culture of dependency." Being belittled as a citizen and as a person is at the root of my hostility toward the moneyed right and their minions, not envy for what they have.
And by the way, my Bible class at church is studying the book of Amos, and a constant theme there is that God was threatening to destroy Israel, because of how the rich were living in the lap of luxury at the expense of the poor.
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
That's not what Fox News, the Tea Party, etc. have said.
The wealthiest 1% as you call them pay over half the Federal Income tax. I'm going to be blunt, if you want all these programs you need to start paying your fair share, maybe you will change your mind when Government is wasting your money rather than just somebody else's.
I can never understand how conservatives can take the side of the rich as downtrodden and taken advantage of, even though they can afford to be taxed, whereas the rest of us are the bad guys for not paying "our fair share," even though it might be financially disastrous for us. And what, pray tell, is my fair share?
Probably 5 to 15% of your income and when rich people's taxes go up, yours go up accordingly.
Dude, do you have no clue how tax brackets work?
If the top tax bracket is increased from 35% to 50% and you earn less than $372,951 in a year, your taxes go up not one red cent.
You could be taxing them at 100% and take away all their assets and we would only run the government for like 2 months.
What you are advocating is debunked by basic math, we can't afford all the garbage that you want tax money spent on.
Repealing George W Bush's tax cuts for the wealthiest americans would net us 10 trillion dollars over the next 10 years. This is not disputed by anybody. Don't you think it might help? Also, we happen to know that they do just fine at that rate.
If you're gullable enough to believe that, it wouldn't surprise me if people scam you daily.
http://www.financialsamurai.com/2011/04 ... e-percent/
That data is not relevant to what i said.
What i said was that if we repeal the upper 3rd tier of the bush tax cuts, we get another 10 trillion dollars over the next 10 years. This is according to the CBO. Even republicans admit it.
Source plz...
blauSamstag wrote:
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blauSamstag wrote:
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blauSamstag wrote:
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I'm taking the "wealthy's" side in this because they are the ones that are being wronged here, not the poor. It's easy to spend other people's money Kraichgauer, but you would take a much different stance if it was your money being wasted.
And the wealthy thank you. But you're a chump.
The Democrat Socialist party thanks you, and you're the chump not me.
wow man that was a total burn.
The wealthy built their fortunes on the backs of the working class. If they had paid fair wages we wouldn't need these programs you say we can't afford.
So Steve Jobs built his fortune on the backs of the working class huh? Actually, Steve Jobs got his fortune by developing something that people were willing to pay money to buy. Nobody forces people to buy an I-phone for instance.
All this looks like is you are jealous of someone else being successful.
Steve Jobs built his fortune working engineers 90 hours a week on 40 hours of pay and having teenagers in china build his electronics.
Sure whatever...
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Kraichgauer
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18 Nov 2011, 12:57 am
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18 Nov 2011, 1:05 am
Inuyasha wrote:
Okay then, let's have a vote that Kraichgauer's money is taxed to build a pool in let's say Vigilan's yard.
Sweet!
My place has no yard though, I live in a little apartment all by my lonesome. My parents home already has a pool... you could try Master_Pedant, but I hear they don't swim much in Winterpeg
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