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Inuyasha
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05 Dec 2011, 2:56 pm

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Republicans want to cut services people are dependent on.

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That's just a Democrat scare tactic.


Whether or not Democrats use it to scare people...I'm pretty sure it's the truth.


Why do you believe it is the truth? Is it cause the media tells you that's what Republicans are for? Or your teachers?

You seriously need to learn to start thinking for yourself.



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05 Dec 2011, 2:56 pm

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Ahhh, poor Ike, he pretty much foretold what would happen to America, in a way. :(


In a way? He said it exactly: Beware of the military industrial complex.

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05 Dec 2011, 3:09 pm

Inuyasha wrote:
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Republicans want to cut services people are dependent on.

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That's just a Democrat scare tactic.


Oh, really? I constantly hear Republicans say how they'd be emancipating the poor from government control by cutting needed services. In fact, you've posted that yourself.

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05 Dec 2011, 3:09 pm

I definitely think it's a good idea. Some guy named Ryan from New York I think it was proposed that we tax the rich by 28 percent to broaden the spectrum and I think he's right. The 1%'s income rose by like 200 something percent over 2007 to 2011 and they're making INSANE amounts of money. Like money that they don't need so they create jobs in the yacht industry.

Also there isn't that trickle down effect. It doesn't seem to be like the money is just flowing from the 1 percent down to the 99 percent through spending. It's being hoarded. And corporations and individuals like bernanke and green span are taking trillions, and the families like the rothschilds and rockefellers are in control. They hire people like bernanke, well they give corporations money to support people like bernanke, vote him into the federal reserve, mess around with the system. And nobody repremands the guy because he's in charge. And the police are bought and paid for, so they don't bite the hands that feed them.



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05 Dec 2011, 3:47 pm

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I definitely think it's a good idea. Some guy named Ryan from New York I think it was proposed that we tax the rich by 28 percent to broaden the spectrum and I think he's right. The 1%'s income rose by like 200 something percent over 2007 to 2011 and they're making INSANE amounts of money. Like money that they don't need so they create jobs in the yacht industry.

Also there isn't that trickle down effect. It doesn't seem to be like the money is just flowing from the 1 percent down to the 99 percent through spending. It's being hoarded. And corporations and individuals like bernanke and green span are taking trillions, and the families like the rothschilds and rockefellers are in control. They hire people like bernanke, well they give corporations money to support people like bernanke, vote him into the federal reserve, mess around with the system. And nobody repremands the guy because he's in charge. And the police are bought and paid for, so they don't bite the hands that feed them.


Ever heard of Andrew Carnegie?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Carnegie



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05 Dec 2011, 4:07 pm

Republicans cut welfare down to only 2 years of entitlements.



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05 Dec 2011, 8:48 pm

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Republicans cut welfare down to only 2 years of entitlements.



Would you prefer lifetime "entitlements" ?

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05 Dec 2011, 9:19 pm

Kraichgauer wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
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Republicans want to cut services people are dependent on.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


That's just a Democrat scare tactic.


Oh, really? I constantly hear Republicans say how they'd be emancipating the poor from government control by cutting needed services. In fact, you've posted that yourself.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer

That's just a Democrat scare tactic. :D


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05 Dec 2011, 10:10 pm

ruveyn wrote:
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Ahhh, poor Ike, he pretty much foretold what would happen to America, in a way. :(


In a way? He said it exactly: Beware of the military industrial complex.

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Yup, was right on the money. =/



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05 Dec 2011, 10:26 pm

ruveyn wrote:
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Republicans cut welfare down to only 2 years of entitlements.



Would you prefer lifetime "entitlements" ?

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If it's required.

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05 Dec 2011, 11:20 pm

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That is because the government has been bought and bribed. In a bribe situation both the briber and the bribee are equally at fault.


This.

I wish there was yet an accountable way to end direction of governments by the influential. For sure it is worse than increasing taxes (on the top 1% not on entrepreneurs or bourgeois people) no? I understand why altruism cannot be forced since moral and legal do not always have the same meaning, yet lobbying and other venemous influences are more pernicious than welfare.

Since there is no way to monitor the intentions of governments, which increasingly purge taxpayer money to wage wars, destroy liberty, create worthless bureaucracy, and appease selfish "elites", I propose that we render them less consequential, which would mean that taxes (paid only from healthy people and those who are not veterans or senior citizens) would be flat and diminished so that what remains of the middle classes will have more resources for donating to those who are struggling or can only afford necessities.



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05 Dec 2011, 11:24 pm

Kraichgauer wrote:
ruveyn wrote:
androbot2084 wrote:
Republicans cut welfare down to only 2 years of entitlements.



Would you prefer lifetime "entitlements" ?

ruveyn


If it's required.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


You are a generous soul. Be generous with YOUR money, not MINE. O.K.?

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05 Dec 2011, 11:27 pm

ruveyn wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
ruveyn wrote:
androbot2084 wrote:
Republicans cut welfare down to only 2 years of entitlements.



Would you prefer lifetime "entitlements" ?

ruveyn


If it's required.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


You are a generous soul. Be generous with YOUR money, not MINE. O.K.?

ruveyn


That would be fine, if I had any money.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer



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05 Dec 2011, 11:30 pm

2 years of entitlements are not enough when recessions last 10 years.



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05 Dec 2011, 11:33 pm

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That would be fine, if I had any money.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


The difference between a savage and a civilized person is knowing the distinction between MINE and THINE. Collectivist savages consider everything OURS. There is no OURS. There Yours, Mine and the Other Fellow's stuff. By rights all assets should be private, not collective..

The Welfare State is a construct of the savage collectivist brute who cannot tell the difference between what belongs to him and what belongs to others.

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05 Dec 2011, 11:38 pm

ruveyn wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:

That would be fine, if I had any money.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


The difference between a savage and a civilized person is knowing the distinction between MINE and THINE. Collectivist savages consider everything OURS. There is no OURS. There Yours, Mine and the Other Fellow's stuff. By rights all assets should be private, not collective..

The Welfare State is a construct of the savage collectivist brute who cannot tell the difference between what belongs to him and what belongs to others.

ruveyn


Hm. I guess you can call me Bill the Barbarian! :lol:

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer