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Hi 91,

A new translation of Nicholas Eymerich's "Directorium Inquisitorum" is coming into print soon, with a history of numbers of "sanitization" per population, which is the worst for all of Human History during the "sanitizing" of the Cathars.

"God's Jury" sorta reflects the usage of Baby Bush's unfortunate use of the word "Crusade". Eymerich would be proud of the Church's influence in the "Scientific" Torture of "non-torture" & the returning of cascades of the continuous Crusades under diplomatic phraseologies of balderdash.
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/29/books ... &ref=books

How real are the words "Holy war over health care law? Obama angers Catholic leaders" to be taken???
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/01 ... c-leaders/

Tisk, Tisk, Tisk, for the Church's support of Science.

Oh, and do you know if I can totally remove any of my responses to a thread on WP by myself, other than reduce it down to a still posted "edit"??? This involves a principle "originating" in Thomas Aquinas's Summa Theologiae, which would be both an "awkward" total removal and/or total edit.

Tadzio

I spend a lot of time on the internet, and I see a lot of internet atheists who actually do enjoy attacking religion to feel superior, who are unwilling to admit it. I realize the majority of atheists are not like this (most atheists stay out of the arguments)

Some of them are satanists and just like to shred people apart for the fun of it. They will not say it publicly but I can identify this kind of mentality when I see it. I am not talking about anyone on this forum, I am talking about other forums I have visited.

As for people who say raising kids to be religious is harmful in itself and so for that reason religion should be attacked from all angles, I have to I empathize (I was not raised religiously and am glad I was not). I simply think they are taking the wrong approach.

My point is that using logical arguments to "win" is kind of silly since religion is all about faith and logic cannot defeat faith. They are two entirely different entities.

Perhaps the world would be better without religion, but I just think that forms of hate and oppression will always pop up. Instead of making silly obvious attacks on logic, I think what is important is connecting with religious people and trying to understand where they are coming from... and then slowly incorporating the idea that maybe one or two of their ideas are bigoted. I feel this earns massive more respect than just saying "God is a fairytale, you stupid idiot." Who the hell with any sort of self-respect would listen to that kind of bullying behavior? I know I certainly wouldn't.

Again, I am not attacking anyone here, but I have done a lot of online research on this, and I see a lot of dishonest debate tactics used by some atheists.

I am hiding now. I probably will not return to this thread.

I'm not sure if this has much to do with the original post or not. As for Orwellians, I find some of them despicable. They may have a couple good points, but their approach is all wrong and they alienate the people they are trying to educate from my experience.

Well, one of the points that I keep pounding on is that anti-intellectualism is not restricted to religious people or borne of a direct result of being religious. In fact, when anti-intellectualism manifests in religion, it is a result of over-reliance on unreformed Persian-style thought processes. This wouldn't be harmful to a nation of accountants, but it inhibits one from grasping more dynamic systems or situations.

tl:dr

But as a side note:

"Religion in North Korea
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Traditionally Religion in North Korea primarily consists of Buddhism and Confucianism and to a lesser extent Korean shamanism and syncretic Chondogyo. Since the arrival of Europeans in the 18th century, there is a Christian minority. North Korea is officially an atheist state in which much of the population is nonreligious.[1][2] North Korea sees organised religious activity as a potential challenge to the leadership.[3]"

And they're doing just awesome as a nation aren't they. I think all Atheists should expatriate to North Korea since they share the same philosophies.

-QED

I agree, but whether a church is guilty (and the church has been guilty of it many times) or any other organisation, it is a terrible thing and that organisation loses whatever credibility they may have had in my mind.

Rejecting an idea purely because it is against your beliefs is just dumb. One must examine the facts as they are known whether they think it is possible or not.

how much of a strawman can a person post?

You have to eat your brussel sprouts along with your steak Ood. Atheists always claim the world would be a better place if they ran the show. I see proof of this in North Korea don't you? /sarcasm.

You're acting under the false assumption that an Atheistic state would also be a dictatorship.

I'd love to see Atheists running the show, basing decisions off of logic not theology. However, I wouldn't dream of actively forcing people not be religious.

Well other Atheists with power disagree with you. And they do and can run the show. The leaders of North Korea do base decisions off of logic. Seems to be working very well don't you agree?

So of course any theological society will be like the parts of the Middle East where Sharia law is in effect?

You're argument is somewhat valid, but very poorly thought out.

Here is a list of countries by percentage of atheists and agnostics among the population:
http://www.adherents.com/largecom/com_atheist.html

The list is led by countries like Sweden, Denmark, Norway and Japan. They are not exactly authoritarian military dictatorships.

Interestingly, lists of countries by Human Development Index or by best quality of life tend to look similar. You will find many of the same countries in the top ranks.

My argument is very valid as you pointed out. There's a false assumption in Atheism that a nation run by Atheists will be a free and fun place to be without exception. And obviously that's not the case, but yet they persist with the notion which is both far from logical and intellectually dishonest.

I used sarcasm for a reason.

Valid but very poorly thought out. Read CrazyCatLord's post.

A dictatorship will almost always be a bad thing, no matter what religion (or lack thereof) the dictator subscribes too.

so you come with some irrelevant comment and repost your previous question,

still a strawman and oversimplification, in reality you have to account for not only what kind of political system any one country has but also the mindset incurred in people while being educated and a host of other factors.

garbage in, garbage out... and with hardcore propaganda in the mix i would say they are assured garbage.

Japan: "Shinto, meaning "the way of the gods", is Japan's indigenous religion and is practiced by about 83% of the population."
Norway: "Nominal religion in Norway is mostly Protestant (Evangelical-Lutheran) with 78.9% belonging to the state Evangelical Lutheran Church of Norway.[1] Early Norwegians, like all of the people of Scandinavia, believed in Norse paganism; the Sámi having a shamanistic religion."
Denmark: "Another study by Eurobarometer Poll 2005,[1] 31% of Danish citizens responded that "they believe there is a god", whereas 49% answered that "they believe there is some sort of spirit or life force""

Sweden scored a bit low on the religion scale:

Sweden: "Sweden was Christianized from Norse paganism in the 11th century. Since the 16th century Sweden has been predominantly Lutheran. From the Protestant Reformation in the 1530s until 2000, the Lutheran Church of Sweden (Swedish: Svenska kyrkan) was the state church. As of 2010, about 70% of Swedes are members of the Church of Sweden, compared to over 95% in 1970, and 83% in 2000.[1]
Religiosity in Sweden plays a limited role compared to the European average. In a 2009 Gallup poll, 17% answered yes to the question "Is religion an important part of your daily life?".[2] Less than 4% of the Church of Sweden membership attends public worship during an average week; about 2% are regular attendees.[3]"

Yeah I see how all these nations are so very irreligious. /sarcasm.

Atheism in a nutshell.