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04 Jun 2012, 8:55 pm

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Even aside from income tax there's still sales tax and that doesn't matter how old you are.

Next......
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If you're spending someone else's money, then they're the taxpayer, not you.


Not if the money was given to you OR you earned it doing chores or whatever.



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04 Jun 2012, 9:07 pm

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puddingmouse wrote:
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Even aside from income tax there's still sales tax and that doesn't matter how old you are.

Next......
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If you're spending someone else's money, then they're the taxpayer, not you.


Not if the money was given to you OR you earned it doing chores or whatever.


Then welfare recipients are also taxpayers, by your definition.

I reserve the word 'taxpayer' for those with a taxable income.


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04 Jun 2012, 9:28 pm

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puddingmouse wrote:
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Even aside from income tax there's still sales tax and that doesn't matter how old you are.

Next......
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If you're spending someone else's money, then they're the taxpayer, not you.


Not if the money was given to you OR you earned it doing chores or whatever.


Then welfare recipients are also taxpayers, by your definition.

I reserve the word 'taxpayer' for those with a taxable income.


Taxes are taxes.........
Come back with whatever but I've beaten this dead horse enough for one thread.........



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04 Jun 2012, 9:51 pm

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I'm 15.

Didn't you claim to be a 'taxpayer' in the lsd thread? how do you pull that off if you're 15...since you have to be 16 to work in most states?


14 is usually the minimum age but with restrictions.
If your working then you're most likely getting taxed.

Even aside from income tax there's still sales tax and that doesn't matter how old you are.

Next......
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I don't know that you're working...and if you're using your parents money they are paying the sales tax not you.


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04 Jun 2012, 9:53 pm

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What I dislike most about my country is that a large portion of it's population thinks that the "right to life" means that they have the right to force strangers to pay for the food they eat and water they drink.


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04 Jun 2012, 10:18 pm

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I hate the selfishness, the lack of self-respect and respect for each other so many seem to have, the lack of community feeling. I hate the legacy of Thatcher, the waste of talent, the lack of hope or real prospects for many people, particularly in the former industrial areas of my country. I hate that this unelected excuse for a government is attempting to tear away a social safety net without creating employment, demonising the poor while funnelling cash to their rich mates. I hate the compliance of the right wing press with this process, they all sh*t in the same pot. I hate the Tories in the South East who have no understanding of the damage they cause while whinig about public sector workers in the regions, ignoring the fact that their precious market failed to replace the private sector manufacturing jobs that were flushed away by it.


This little economic thing we're all in the midst of is clearly a global problem and it's a bit frightening that politicians do not seem to have any kind of answer. Nothing but clinging to old ideologies and continually blaming "the other side" for causing the problem. My personal perspective is governments have their hands tied because this is a much bigger beast than any single country can possibly handle.



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04 Jun 2012, 10:53 pm

I hate that there is nothing like real universal healthcare in this country.
I hate that those with are valued more than those without.
I hate that when the have nots complain about my second point, they are accused of class envy.
I hate that science is seen as the enemy.
I hate that ignorance is considered a virtue.

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05 Jun 2012, 3:34 am

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I hate that there is nothing like real universal healthcare in this country.


-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


You believe that person A should be taxed to benefit person B against the will of A. Whoever does the taxing is a tyrant and he make B an accomplice.

If a private party did that you would be calling the police. If the government does that you are overflowing with fulsome praise.

Taking from A to give to B against the will of A is theft simpliciter (I seem to remember a Commandment that pertains here). Somehow you are willing to overlook this if the theft is legal.

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05 Jun 2012, 5:19 am

ruveyn wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
I hate that there is nothing like real universal healthcare in this country.


-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


You believe that person A should be taxed to benefit person B against the will of A. Whoever does the taxing is a tyrant and he make B an accomplice.

If a private party did that you would be calling the police. If the government does that you are overflowing with fulsome praise.

Taking from A to give to B against the will of A is theft simpliciter (I seem to remember a Commandment that pertains here). Somehow you are willing to overlook this if the theft is legal.

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The government taxes citizens to provide national defense, law enforcement, and and fire protection. Is that theft, too?

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer



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05 Jun 2012, 6:22 am

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1. Not enough jobs.
2. Not enough industry.
3. Every inch of the countryside is farmed - no wilderness.
4. Population density is way too high.
5. Snobbery as a national institution.
6. Inequality is very high by European standards and the middle class vs. poor live in completely, utterly different worlds.
7. Too reliant on finance for GDP.
8. Sunsets at 4pm in the winter.
9. It's just a wimpy, decaying country.
10. Long working hours.
11. People are so indirect and bitchy and should be more upfront.
12. Botched privatisations from the Thatcher era and more creeping in through the backdoor.
13. Our health service is under attack.
14. We are more interventionist militarily in the world than we can afford to be.
15. We pay our Queen too much money.


16. It's an affront to the meritocracy we supposedly live in to have a monarchy and hereditary peers.
17. A ruling class which is completely out of touch still exists and still rule. We are being governed by focus groups and polls.
18. A third of the time alloted for daily news is football related. News stories are often cut from the running order of TV news and yet football still gets its airtime.
19. Football. It's ridiculous in this country how celebrated rich men who have no other skill than kicking a ball for 50 yards are. The attention they receive is disgusting and they're rubbish role models for young boys of all classes.
20. The fact we still have titles given by the queen. It's 2012 and we still have knights and lords. Jesus wept.
21. We still have unthinking sycophantic, bootlicking supplicants who believe the monarchy is a good thing.



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05 Jun 2012, 6:29 am

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05 Jun 2012, 7:04 am

Despite there being a very diverse mix of cultures and nationalities, each group is so cliquey! Including our own.


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05 Jun 2012, 7:17 am

Kraichgauer wrote:
I hate that there is nothing like real universal healthcare in this country.
I hate that those with are valued more than those without.
I hate that when the have nots complain about my second point, they are accused of class envy.
I hate that science is seen as the enemy.
I hate that ignorance is considered a virtue.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


Hate, hate, hate, hate, hate.....
The true essence of liberalism underneath all the feelgoood rhetoric....



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05 Jun 2012, 8:48 am

Raptor wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
I hate that there is nothing like real universal healthcare in this country.
I hate that those with are valued more than those without.
I hate that when the have nots complain about my second point, they are accused of class envy.
I hate that science is seen as the enemy.
I hate that ignorance is considered a virtue.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


Hate, hate, hate, hate, hate.....
The true essence of liberalism underneath all the feelgoood rhetoric....


this has to do with how one accepts the defects of being human. Humans are a defective and sinful lot. I cannot hate what we all are at some time or another. I might feel disappointed, but that takes a lot less energy than hating. Since I do not have high expectations of the human animal and do not have strong feelings about his shortfall.

We are not lovable, so why get overly excited?

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05 Jun 2012, 10:02 am

Clearly manors and compassion are leftist concepts and should be discouraged. To hell with all of you if you get in may way I will run you over. I say those things in jest. But once again let me quote Rodney King, "Can't we all just get along?"



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05 Jun 2012, 10:50 am

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Clearly manors and compassion are leftist concepts and should be discouraged. To hell with all of you if you get in may way I will run you over. I say those things in jest. But once again let me quote Rodney King, "Can't we all just get along?"


Good manners is an ancient Hebrew virtue. Old Rabbinical saying: Good manners comes before the Torah. It goes back long before there was left and right in politics.

Compassion and $3.67 will buy you a medium coffee and an old fashioned dough nut at the local dough nut shop.

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