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He is talking about Ireland under British rule, not Irish immigrants

Poor economic openings and discrimination are certainly not good, but that is not slavery. Being a slave in America meant you were regularly beaten for reasons unknown, it meant that you could be separated from your family and what little acquaintances you had because your owner decided it -- on top of discrimination and poor economic openings, of course.

Also, being "less than a dog", in the case of the British, mostly meant that they didn't care too much if they starved by accident. American slave owners tended to beat their slaves by principle.

It's not up to us to declare the fate of people's eternity.

Joker is right. The Irish didn't need whips and chains to be enslaved. For the longest time there was nowhere for them to go to get away from the transplanted British nobles. For about 120 years the US wasn't much better for them. In fact, that's where the term "white n****r" came from. The Irish often could only find the same kinds of jobs as slaves (sometimes working on different parts of the same task) and were considered less valuable to a business than slaves despite not being forced labor, and businesses frequently used Irish for dangerous jobs they didn't want to risk losing the use of a slave over.

Southern Baptists actually do it all the time.

I was trying to be diplomatic, but, okay, you asked for it: The Brits wanted the US to be their colony again. There are some written works that may be of some help to you - but heaven only knows if they are all still published. Lt. Col. Arthur Lyon Fremantle (later Maj. Gen.) wrote a memior (spelling?) of his time as an attache to the Confederacy and wrote in detail about the possbility. Shelby Foote touched on it. Cecil Rhodes wrote numerous works quoting various officials and various plans after the reign of King George III to do so. Newt Gingrich wrote a "what if" novel based on the idea which was based on actual historical documentation. There are other works. But it takes a lot of digging to find them. Finally, you are assuming that the Union could fight a two-front war at that time. Lincoln, in his "One War at a Time" speech stated they could not and that war with Britain must be avoided at all costs.

Longshanks

...To and for the establishment, promotion and development of a Secret Society, the true aim and object whereof shall be for the extension of British rule throughout the world, the perfecting of a system of emigration from the United Kingdom, and of colonisation by British subjects of all lands where the means of livelihood are attainable by energy, labour and enterprise, and especially the occupation by British settlers of the entire Continent of Africa, the Holy Land, the Valley of the Euphrates, the Islands of Cyprus and Candia, the whole of South America, the Islands of the Pacific not heretofore possessed by Great Britain, the whole of the Malay Archipelago, the seaboard of China and Japan, the ultimate recovery of the United States of America as an integral part of the British Empire, the inauguration of a system of Colonial representation in the Imperial Parliament which may tend to weld together the disjointed members of the Empire and, finally, the foundation of so great a Power as to render wars impossible, and promote the best interests of humanity.

Source or it's just a claim.

RESOLVED, That the messengers to the Southern Baptist Convention, meeting in Phoenix, Arizona, June 14-15, 2011, do hereby affirm our belief in the biblical teaching on eternal, conscious punishment of the unregenerate in Hell

Hast thou verily never met a Southern Baptist?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?

http://www.sbc.net/resolutions/resprint ... sp?ID=1214



One of the few pleasures remaining to Southern Baptists is consigning whom they wish to eternal, conscious punishment.

Yes in fact I have I grew up as one but I am now a member of the united methodist church.

....A second document, “Covenant of Conscience,” is in support of same-sex marriage. Clergy signers of that document pledged “in accordance with our ordination vows to ‘seek peace, justice, and freedom for all people,’ commit to marrying without bias or discrimination all people who seek the blessing of the church and are prepared to assume the privileges and responsibilities of a loving, committed, covenant relationship.”

...Members of the Minnesota Annual Conference, meeting May 30-June 1, voted to send a resolution opposing a proposed amendment to the Minnesota state constitution that only a union of one man and one woman would be recognized as marriage. The proposal will be on the November ballot.

Alright, I'd be more than happy to refight the War of 1812 if you are. I'm sure the cabinet papers of Britain have a lot to say about that. And have you ever read Gladstone or Sir Robert Peel?

Longshanks

http://www.umc.org/site/apps/nlnet/cont ... 43&notoc=1



You do realize that Southern Baptist Doctrine consigns you and all Methodists to everlasting torment, do you not?

http://www.umc.org/site/apps/nlnet/cont ... 43&notoc=1



You do realize that Southern Baptist Doctrine consigns you and all Methodists to everlasting torment...

There is no such doctrine regarding Methodists.

There is no such doctrine regarding Methodists.

WHEREAS, Rob Bell, in his 2011 book, Love Wins, has called into question the church’s historical teaching on the doctrine of eternal punishment of the unregenerate; and

WHEREAS, The church has addressed this issue throughout her history, yet orthodox Christians have affirmed consistently and resoundingly the reality of a literal Hell; and

WHEREAS, The Bible clearly teaches that God will judge the lost at the end of the age (Matthew 25:41-46; 2 Peter 2:9; Revelation 20:11-15); and

WHEREAS, God must judge the unregenerate because He is a holy God whose judgments are altogether righteous (Psalm 96:10; Romans 2:1-5; Revelation 15:3); and

WHEREAS, The Scriptures affirm that this judgment of the unconverted is a judgment unto conscious, eternal suffering apart from the steadfast love and grace of God (Matthew 7:23; 25:46; Luke 16:22-25; 2 Thessalonians 1:7-10); and

WHEREAS, The Bible precludes the possibility of any opportunity for salvation after death (Hebrews 9:27), urging sinners instead to embrace the glorious gospel today (2 Corinthians 6:2; Hebrews 2:3; 3:13); and

WHEREAS, Jesus Christ and the apostles, out of their love for lost people, affirmed the reality of Hell in their own preaching to urge sinners to receive the grace of God, to repent of their sins, and to believe the gospel, and thereby to enter into abundance of eternal life (Matthew 10:28; John 10:10; Acts 17:30-31); and

WHEREAS, The prospect of fellow human beings, created in the image of God, spending eternity in Hell grieves us deeply; and

WHEREAS, The Scriptures exhort the church to hold fast to and proclaim the “faith once for all delivered to the saints” (Jude 3) and to “guard the good deposit” of truth the Lord has entrusted to us in His Word (1 Timothy 6:20; 2 Timothy 1:14), including difficult truths; and

WHEREAS, The Baptist Faith & Message affirms the biblical teaching that “Christ will judge all men in righteousness. The unrighteous will be consigned to Hell, the place of everlasting punishment” (Article X. Last Things); now, therefore, be it

RESOLVED, That the messengers to the Southern Baptist Convention, meeting in Phoenix, Arizona, June 14-15, 2011, do hereby affirm our belief in the biblical teaching on eternal, conscious punishment of the unregenerate in Hell; and be it finally

RESOLVED, That out of our love for Christ and for His glory, and our love for lost people and our deep desire that they not suffer eternally in Hell, we implore Southern Baptists to proclaim faithfully the depth and gravity of sin against a holy God, the reality of Hell, and the salvation of sinners by God’s grace alone, through faith alone, in Jesus Christ alone, to the glory of God alone.

WHEREAS, The erosion of moral sanity continues to be a major problem of modern society; and

WHEREAS, Homosexuality has become the chosen lifestyle of many in this moral decline; and

WHEREAS, The Bible is very clear in its teaching that homosexuality is a manifestation of a depraved nature; and

WHEREAS, This deviant behavior has wrought havoc in the lives of millions; and

WHEREAS, Homosexuals are justified and even glorified in our secular media; and

WHEREAS, Homosexual activity is the primary cause of the introduction and spread of AIDS in the United States which has not only affected those of the homosexual community, but also many innocent victims.

Therefore be it RESOLVED, That we, the messengers to the Southern Baptist Convention, meeting in San Antonio, Texas, June 14-16, 1988, deplore homosexuality as a perversion of divine standards and as a violation of nature and natural affections; and

Be it further RESOLVED, That we affirm the biblical injunction which declares homosexuals, like all sinners, can receive forgiveness and victory through personal faith in Jesus Christ (1 Corinthians 6:9-11); and

Be it finally RESOLVED, That we maintain that while God loves the homosexual and offers salvation, homosexuality is not a normal lifestyle and is an abomination in the eyes of God (Leviticus 18:22; Romans 1:24-28; 1 Timothy 1:8-10).

Whereas Southern Baptists regard homosexuality as unrighteous, and believe further that the unrighteous shall be consigned to Hell;

Members of the United Methodist Church, who do not regard homosexuality as unrighteous, are certainly also to be doomed for thinking thus, and will also be consigned to Hell, unless they repent and start acting like Southern Baptists.

Moreover, because of the Southern Baptists' love for Christ and for His glory, and their "love" for lost people and "deep desire" that they not suffer eternally in Hell, United Methodists and Homosexuals alike must both endure the Southern Baptists' smug pity.