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ruveyn
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22 Aug 2012, 1:31 pm

Kraichgauer wrote:

Again, it's a matter of having an opinion, not about forcing that opinion on anyone else.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer

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Opinions are like a**holes. Everyone has at least one.

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22 Aug 2012, 1:32 pm

ruveyn wrote:

Opinions are like a**holes. Everyone has at least one.

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And no-one wants to look at their opponents, because they find them smelly.

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22 Aug 2012, 1:32 pm

ruveyn wrote:

Kraichgauer wrote:

Again, it's a matter of having an opinion, not about forcing that opinion on anyone else.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer

ruveyn

Opinions are like a**holes. Everyone has at least one.

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Very, very true.

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22 Aug 2012, 2:23 pm

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Coming from the person who seems rather conservative in another thread I've seen him in, where he purports that only men should work and not letting any women work and staying home will fix this economy.

If you can't find the thread, then it never happened. :wink:

LOL? Don't kid yourself, I remember that thread very well. Basically you're trying to insult my knack for memory, which is a fail because I remember things far better than you think I do (after all, it IS a common trait in those of us with AS). Basically it was the "are men scum?" thread. Not going to bother seeing if I can find that monstrosity, from your wink, you are implying that either I'm too stupid to be capable of finding it (an insult upon my intelligence), that a mod deleted it, or that it was moved to another section and that I am still too stupid and incapable to find it if it does still exist. Don't bother beating around in the bush, because I remember it quite well where you stood on that one. Too late to backpedal now.

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22 Aug 2012, 2:30 pm

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Kraichgauer wrote:

I find it hard to wrap my head around the notion that a person - autistic or otherwise - could be neither liberal or conservative without being apolitical.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer

What a clever fellow you are! Politics is inherently corrupt and socially corrosive. They who are a-political are made of nobler stuff than those who are political.

True humans do not spend their time figuring out ways of controlling or thwarting others.

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Holy crap, I agree with ruveyn!

I don't know about autistics in general, but people who use online forums are disproportionately white, suburban, and atheist. What that means in this forum is that we are probably more likely than the general public to be libertarians (fiscally conservative, socially liberal.)

Edit: Another factor is generational. Since AS only began to be widely diagnosed in the mid-1990s, most of us are from Generation Y.

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22 Aug 2012, 2:39 pm

Kraichgauer wrote:

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Conservative auties are conservative and liberal/progressive autie are liberal/progressive.

Then there are sensible auties who are neither.

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I find it hard to wrap my head around the notion that a person - autistic or otherwise - could be neither liberal or conservative without being apolitical.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer

Thats because you're looking specifically within the American paradigm.

The political spectrum ranges from communist to national socialist, and everything in between.

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22 Aug 2012, 2:41 pm

musicforanna wrote:

ArrantPariah wrote:

musicforanna wrote:

If you can't find the thread, then it never happened. :wink:

Maybe you dreamed it?

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22 Aug 2012, 2:43 pm

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True humans do not spend their time figuring out ways of controlling or thwarting others.

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Sure. The problem is there are individuals who are controlling and thwarting others because of their wealth and power, in spite of their denials to the contrary.

These people are tyrants and there is a need to expedite their downfall.

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22 Aug 2012, 2:52 pm

thomas81 wrote:

The political spectrum ranges from communist to national socialist, and everything in between.

Not really that much difference between the two for the man on the street.

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22 Aug 2012, 5:16 pm

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and many still seem to think the president is foreign born.

And a Muslim. :lol:

I'm not saying the masses are wise, I'm saying that they're a safer bet than a ruling elite. I'm not saying they're good, I'm saying the other option is worse.

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22 Aug 2012, 5:20 pm

Tequila wrote:

thomas81 wrote:

The political spectrum ranges from communist to national socialist, and everything in between.

Not really that much difference between the two for the man on the street.

to be honest we both know the men on the street like their liquor.

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22 Aug 2012, 5:28 pm

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I'm not saying they're good, I'm saying the other option is worse.

A lot worse. At least under a proper, direct democracy, the people can vote on the issues that affect them and if they don't like the way their country is being run can change things.

An "intellectual" political élite that simply can't be removed is very dangerous IMO.

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22 Aug 2012, 7:59 pm

I tend to be libertarian but don't like progressivism. I have conservative views personally but I understand what people are going to do, they are going to do and in order to have a free society, we have to tolerate some differences as long as others are not hurt and/or their rights trampled on. We are all individuals and the big thing is that responsibility and accountability for one's actions must by taught and understood as well as giving the ability for people to make judgement calls themselves via their own reasoning as they go through life. I tend to like the politics of Barry Goldwater, Ronald Reagan, Ayn Rand, Robert J. Ringer, Robert A. Heinlein and L. Neil Smith. I guess on the two dimensional spectrum, I'd lean much more right but there are times I get both sides mad at me. I don't mind and even support people with very religious views, for example, but I don't want that line crossed to where we have an American Taliban either. At the same time, I don't want a libertine leftist system either. I am religious in my own way and do believe in God.

I'm worried more for our security as a nation in the world as well as our financial problems we have now. I'm to the point where I don't care who sleeps with who (as long as mutual consent is given and they are at or above age of consent), who marries what/who, who reads what, who watches what, and so forth. As a younger kid, I went through a fascist phase briefly but when I think about it, I value my freedoms and I don't want them taken away. If you screw up, you pay the piper, own up to the responsibility.

I do support what Madonna is saying in "Papa, Don't Preach."

I tend to be very capitalist but I do see a need for a basic safety net. I believe in the (U.S.) Constitution. I believe in a meritocracy and minimum government.

I believe the fundamental human right is to be left alone in peace to pursue their dreams and goals as they see fit (as long as it does not tread on others) to where their training and abilities can take them. As long as I keep most of what I make and provide for myself, my wife, family, etc., that's all I want.

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22 Aug 2012, 8:01 pm

Tequila wrote:

thomas81 wrote:

The political spectrum ranges from communist to national socialist, and everything in between.

Not really that much difference between the two for the man on the street.

Basically Communism, the government owns everything and tells you what and how many widgets you make. Fascism, at least they allow privately owned companies but still the government tells you what and how many widgets you make. Both are government throwing its weight around.

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22 Aug 2012, 8:04 pm

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Are social democrats conservatives or liberals? Depends on the social democrat. To be honest, I find a system of authoritarianism and liberalism coupled with left-wing and right-wing and also other labels is more helpful.

There are some very 'conservative', actually quite authoritarian Labour (i.e. left-wing) voters and a lot of libertarian, right-wing Tory/UKIP voters. There's different kinds of conservatism and liberalism is what I mean.

I mean, personally, I'm a national conservative type and very anti-EU (i.e. I have a conservative nationalist outlook on the nation) who believes in a smaller, more efficient welfare state (whilst certainly making sure that the welfare state is there to help those in need) coupled with a free-market, smaller government outlook. On social issues, I tend more often than not to edge towards believing that people should be able to decide their own futures. I want Britain's democracy to be restored and revitalised. Where does that put me? I am both conservative and liberal (but neither in the real US sense of the term).

I think you'd fit in with the libertarians fairly well. My views are more or less the same as yours as you stated.

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22 Aug 2012, 8:14 pm

More evidence of low-functioning autistics being conservative:

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/tex ... 45603.html

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