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Which of These Candidate Should Win?
Poll ended at 06 Nov 2012, 5:10 pm

Barack Obama, Joe Biden (Democratic Party)	50%	[ 56 ]
Jill Stein, Cheri Honkala (Green Party)	10%	[ 11 ]
Gary Johnson, Jim Gray (Libertarian Party)	12%	[ 13 ]
Mitt Romney, Paul Ryan (Republican Party)	19%	[ 21 ]
Other Write-In Candidate: ________________ (Please Detail Below)	10%	[ 11 ]

Total votes : 112

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29 Oct 2012, 3:55 am

auntblabby wrote:

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Their policies are just about the same. Though I rather have four years of Obama than potentially eight years of Romney.

how can their policies be "just about the same" when one touts obamacare while the other says he will kill it? :huh:

Look at what they do rather than what they say. For all Romney's bluster, he governed Massachusetts as a moderate and enacted the very model for Obamacare, while Obama himself campaigned as as civil libertarian and on bringing transparency and restraint back to the Executive branch, but has cracked down on medical marijuana, immigrants, and whistleblowers, engaged in an illegal war in Libya, and presided over the creation of an unaccountable hit squad that's only secret when it comes to answering questions about it. It really is a choice of mustard or ketchup on your sh*t sandwich, and whichever one you choose it's still going to taste like exactly what it is.

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29 Oct 2012, 4:04 am

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This is sadly true, and the right wingers do it as well. They prop Obama up as some reincarnation of Hitler and even though most of them dislike Romney, they'll vote for him simply because they hate Obama way more.

I really don't get the current fashion on the Right of ignoring all the legitimate criticisms of Obama in order to focus on conspiracy theories (birtherism, etc) or try to fit him into a box that simply isn't him (socialist, left wing extremist, weak on foreign policy, etc). I think part of the problem is that his worst areas are actually in some level of agreement with many on the right, after all it's not uncommon to hear calls for getting tougher with terrorists, immigrants, whistleblowers and marijuana users coming from that direction, and it's pretty hard to get much tougher than Obama has. Thus being flanked, the Right has gotten "creative" in their criticism, to avoid singeing their own feet with their attacks. It's like Nixon and China, or at least that's my theory.

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29 Oct 2012, 10:24 pm

CSBurks wrote:

auntblabby wrote:

CSBurks wrote:

Their policies are just about the same. Though I rather have four years of Obama than potentially eight years of Romney.

how can their policies be "just about the same" when one touts obamacare while the other says he will kill it? :huh:

You bring up one issue where the supposedly differ. Wow.

not being able to get affordable medical treatment when one is ailing, all due to the cold-blooded intransigence of obstructionist republicans who look upon the working class as disposable pigs not deserving of any healthcare, is a BIG ISSUE!! !

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29 Oct 2012, 10:45 pm

auntblabby wrote:

CSBurks wrote:

auntblabby wrote:

CSBurks wrote:

Their policies are just about the same. Though I rather have four years of Obama than potentially eight years of Romney.

how can their policies be "just about the same" when one touts obamacare while the other says he will kill it? :huh:

You bring up one issue where the supposedly differ. Wow.

That's not what I was talking about. I'm saying that they're both essentially the same, i.e. they agree more than they disagree.

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29 Oct 2012, 11:12 pm

CSBurks wrote:

That's not what I was talking about. I'm saying that they're both essentially the same, i.e. they agree more than they disagree.

their constituents couldn't be more different.

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30 Oct 2012, 1:18 am

auntblabby wrote:

CSBurks wrote:

That's not what I was talking about. I'm saying that they're both essentially the same, i.e. they agree more than they disagree.

their constituents couldn't be more different.

The constituents don't make policy.

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31 Oct 2012, 12:35 am

CSBurks wrote:

auntblabby wrote:

CSBurks wrote:

That's not what I was talking about. I'm saying that they're both essentially the same, i.e. they agree more than they disagree.

their constituents couldn't be more different.

The constituents don't make policy.

if enough of whatever side's constituents get up off their @$$e$ and vote, then by proxy the winning side's policy is made, for better or worse.

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31 Oct 2012, 3:18 am

auntblabby wrote:

their constituents couldn't be more different.

Maybe at the edges, but the average Democrat and the average Republican have more things in common than they do differences. The parties exploit these differences for political advantage, and it's to their advantage to exaggerate them, the better to feed the fear of the other party that allows them to maintain their two party monopoly.

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31 Oct 2012, 11:49 pm

Dox47 wrote:

auntblabby wrote:

their constituents couldn't be more different.

Maybe at the edges, but the average Democrat and the average Republican have more things in common than they do differences.

i guess i'm not average then, because i have absolutely nothing in common with my republican brethren - they are independently "financially comfortable" and more than a bit arrogant about it. i am far from wealthy. chances are strong they generally have [to a person] real health insurance [blue cross/shield] and i have only catastrophic coverage which covers very little for a stiff premium. chances are also strong the average tea partier gets a nice pension while i don't. they probably see me as a bottom feeder and a parasite. they say to me, "i got mine, you can just eff off! for all i care!" while i look upon nobody as beneath me.

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01 Nov 2012, 1:39 am

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Blabs, that's a complete strawman, a creation of the left wing imagination that in no way resembles the average on the ground conservative. My interest and work in the firearms field has led to me traveling in some pretty conservative circles over the years, and no where have I encountered the caricature that you're describing. Joe Republican may have very different ideas about how to achieve things than Joe Democrat, e.g. letting people keep more of their earnings rather than redistributing them, but at the end of the day they both have very similar goals. Even among the religious right, who do have some very different ideals due to their belief systems, you don't see this "the poor are worthless and should be spit upon" attitude you seem to think is so pervasive, you have outdated views on science and gays and morality, but not this utter malice you portray. Incidentally, those most likely to conform to your stereotype of the intolerant conservative are the poorest rural types, who certainly don't have the gold plated pensions and bulletproof medical plans you're (phantom) envying.

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01 Nov 2012, 9:39 am

I have never met a Republican who laughed or took joy when he/she saw a homeless person on the street. Many of them, especially those who are religious, take most strongly their belief system's charge to help others. Many give extensively to charity in addition to volunteering.

I have a doctor friend who is conservative. He takes it upon himself to make sure he sees a certain number of patients who can't afford medical care for free. I have several conservative friends who are firefighters and paramedics. They risk their lives for no compensation to help others in addition to working day jobs.

The idea that conservatives act like Monty Burns when they see people suffering is one of the greatest lies the left portrays.

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01 Nov 2012, 12:50 pm

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I'm a conservative who struggled with being borderline homeless for almost 2.5 years and I resent the fear-mongering of the left.

The kindest people to me during my journeys were usually conservative (deduced by conversation or bumper stickers).

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01 Nov 2012, 2:58 pm

Just watched this and wanted to know what everyone else thought.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jHsb17MRAj8[/youtube]

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01 Nov 2012, 11:35 pm

Dox47 wrote:

Incidentally, those most likely to conform to your stereotype of the intolerant conservative are the poorest rural types, who certainly don't have the gold plated pensions and bulletproof medical plans you're (phantom) envying.

i'm talking about my wealthy relations.

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02 Nov 2012, 12:07 am

auntblabby wrote:

i'm talking about my wealthy relations.

To be honest if I judged tens of millions of people based off a small sampling consisting of my parents, I'd probably hate conservatives too.

(This is not a serious post, nor a troll post. Just me relating to you while doing so in a joking manner.)

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02 Nov 2012, 2:01 am

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To be honest if I judged tens of millions of people based off a small sampling consisting of my parents, I'd probably hate conservatives too.

every rightie i've met, looked down on me for seeming to be "beneath them."

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