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MrXxx
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26 Nov 2012, 6:48 am

Clucky wrote:

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Clucky wrote:

You're absolutely right, there is an abundance of sexism towards men today in the media and from women.
It's repulsive that women think of this "as a joke" yet any sexist joke towards them, or any sexist act and the man "is considered a pig and is heavily criticized.
This hypocrisy is very prevalent in a lot of women today.

You really need to study a lot more history.

Women have been treated like property and refuse for many centuries and most still are. They think it's a joke because men who can't take it are generally ignorant of the aforementioned fact.

Sexism toward men? Please, spare me. Go study history.

No I don't - I'm well aware of the sexism towards women, and it's still a problem today, but that doesn't give women the right to be sexist towards men. Sexism is wrong. Period.

No argument on that last point.

The trouble with your argument is that you are using historical exceptions to prove your point. That never holds water.

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26 Nov 2012, 7:15 am

Misslizard wrote:

Vexcalibur,
Old people have a hard time changing,some can adapt,some are stuck in the past.
The old guy most likely felt pretty spry to offer her his seat.And if he were a dirty old man he could now look down her blouse.I always thought men may like to open doors so they could check out the caboose.Or if you pull out a chair you would get an excellent view,so there may be some fringe benefits for the guys.

More or less. As I stated earlier, he probably did this because he felt attracted to her and wanted to endear himself to her as well as look good to others rather than because of any chivalrous duty. So that's where Clucky is wrong.

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26 Nov 2012, 10:51 am

Misslizard wrote:

Vexcalibur,
Old people have a hard time changing,some can adapt,some are stuck in the past.

That's their problem and not mine.

We don't let them be racist without criticizing them. So, let us stop letting them be sexist without getting criticism too.

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26 Nov 2012, 11:11 am

Vexcalibur wrote:

Misslizard wrote:

Vexcalibur,
Old people have a hard time changing,some can adapt,some are stuck in the past.

That's their problem and not mine.

We don't let them be racist without criticizing them. So, let us stop letting them be sexist without getting criticism too.

Eventually it will either be your problem or you will die young.

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26 Nov 2012, 12:14 pm

AspieRogue wrote:

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Dear Clucky,
Read what else I wrote.
I do not EXPECT special treatment,but if men show it I respect their gesture.And I have given male friends flowers,as a guy told me once,"men like to get flowers too",
I treat people of both sexes with dignity,the way I want to be treated.
And men were more protective of women in the past.Why?Because of the fact that with not really any good birth control any woman of child bearing age stood a good chance of being in the early stages of pregnancy.

In that case you appreciate chivalry, but do not feel *entitled* to it(unlike OliveOilMom who stated openly that she does).

As far as men liking flowers is concerned, if you wanna get me flowers, get me some voodoo lillies and a corpse flower(if you can afford it).

What I expect is manners from everyone. Because it's part of manners, I do expect it, and it shows me how someone was raised.

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26 Nov 2012, 1:20 pm

ruveyn wrote:

Vexcalibur wrote:

Misslizard wrote:

Vexcalibur,
Old people have a hard time changing,some can adapt,some are stuck in the past.

That's their problem and not mine.

We don't let them be racist without criticizing them. So, let us stop letting them be sexist without getting criticism too.

Eventually it will either be your problem or you will die young.

ruveyn

I will make an effort to remember these words so if I live long enough I shall enjoy my golden years without becoming bitter, cranky, and butthurt about change. "My day" will soon be yesterday as the future eventually becomes the past. Old people get set in their ways, but they don't have to be egotistical jackholes about it!

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26 Nov 2012, 1:52 pm

AspieRogue wrote:

ruveyn wrote:

Vexcalibur wrote:

Misslizard wrote:

Vexcalibur,
Old people have a hard time changing,some can adapt,some are stuck in the past.

That's their problem and not mine.

We don't let them be racist without criticizing them. So, let us stop letting them be sexist without getting criticism too.

Eventually it will either be your problem or you will die young.

ruveyn

I will make an effort to remember these words so if I live long enough I shall enjoy my golden years without becoming bitter, cranky, and butthurt about change.

"My day" will soon be yesterday as the future eventually becomes the past. Old people get set in their ways, but they don't have to be egotistical jackholes about it!

How is it being an egotistical jackhole to offer his seat to a lady? I would think that it's more egotistical to just sit there and not share.

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26 Nov 2012, 1:53 pm

OliveOilMom wrote:

AspieRogue wrote:

ruveyn wrote:

Vexcalibur wrote:

Misslizard wrote:

Vexcalibur,
Old people have a hard time changing,some can adapt,some are stuck in the past.

That's their problem and not mine.

We don't let them be racist without criticizing them. So, let us stop letting them be sexist without getting criticism too.

Eventually it will either be your problem or you will die young.

ruveyn

I will make an effort to remember these words so if I live long enough I shall enjoy my golden years without becoming bitter, cranky, and butthurt about change.

"My day" will soon be yesterday as the future eventually becomes the past. Old people get set in their ways, but they don't have to be egotistical jackholes about it!

How is it being an egotistical jackhole to offer his seat to a lady? I would think that it's more egotistical to just sit there and not share.

That wasn't what I was actually talking about in that post. It wasn't egotistical at all, it was chivalrous and perhaps a bit lecherous.

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26 Nov 2012, 2:01 pm

I do wonder, what's OliveOilMom's definition of a lady?

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26 Nov 2012, 3:30 pm

when I was a kid, my grandmother tried to get me to do things that I didn't want to by saying, 'A lady would...' (spend half an hour fixing her hair, wear uncomfortable clothes, go to long, boring church sermons...) or 'a lady doesn't...' (play outside, get her knees dirty from looking at bugs, drink from a bottle or a can...)
By the time I was four, I had decided that I wanted no part of being a "lady."

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26 Nov 2012, 3:41 pm

There is a huge difference between sex and gender. These days, there are plenty of feminine males and masculine females. In the past unfortunately, society decreed that sex and gender were inseparable. I do believe it's more natural for males to be masculine. But who knows, through evolution one day females might become the more masculine gender. Kinda how spiders are. I don't find that appealing though, sorry.

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26 Nov 2012, 4:02 pm

Seabass wrote:

There is a huge difference between sex and gender.

Please elaborate.

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26 Nov 2012, 4:04 pm

Vexcalibur wrote:

Misslizard wrote:

Vexcalibur,
Old people have a hard time changing,some can adapt,some are stuck in the past.

That's their problem and not mine.

We don't let them be racist without criticizing them. So, let us stop letting them be sexist without getting criticism too.

I never said it was your problem.Where did that come from?
I was also raised to respect my elders and to not dispute them.
If that old fellow wanted to offer a lady his seat so what?
But I do "dispute" with my elders sometimes,but respectfully as I can.The older generation has wisdom and of course some ideas that are now outdated.
My best friend was 86,he died two years ago and I miss him everyday.He would have offered his seat to that lady and it was his choice,he had freewill,if someone wants to be gracious in an old fashioned way,why not?
If it does not bother them then you should have no problem with it.

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26 Nov 2012, 4:11 pm

GGPViper wrote:

Seabass wrote:

There is a huge difference between sex and gender.

Please elaborate.

What sex you are is purely based on biology and anatomy. Gender, on the other hand, describes a persons sense of being masculine or femine.

Masculine traits include those of an individual who is a provider, defender, and even a leader (don't cry foul feminists!) Feminine traits, in the other hand, are those of an individual who gentle, empathetic, and a nurturer. Those aren't all the traits, of course.

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26 Nov 2012, 4:17 pm

Seabass wrote:

GGPViper wrote:

Seabass wrote:

There is a huge difference between sex and gender.

Please elaborate.

So, am I to assume that these "gender" traits are unrelated to "sex" traits?

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26 Nov 2012, 4:21 pm

GGPViper wrote:

Seabass wrote:

GGPViper wrote:

Seabass wrote:

There is a huge difference between sex and gender.

Please elaborate.

So, am I to assume that these "gender" traits are unrelated to "sex" traits?

Traits stypically masculine or feminine tend to fall along a bimodal distribution with lots of overlap; it's not unusual or 'bad' for someone of one gender to have traits that are stereotyped to belong to the other, even stronger than the average person of the other gender. Someone with only the traits of one gender is kind of a flat person.

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