Is work tyranny?

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Redundant and repetitious!

I need to stop taking antihistamines this early in the day.

Thanks for the correction!

Some said flight was impossible. We have flight today. Who knows is what I say. Well, I believe it is possible to be done. I have heard that there are theories on warp drive. I don't know how real they are and how sound they are as I am not a physicist. I'm sure someone will find a way.

I don't want to go on a side tangent with this and derail the topic.

So, you have inconsistent standards is what you're telling me? At least Ruveyn is consistent. You want your entitlements but you whine and cry when others cry for theirs.

Employees do not owe you anything either. They don't owe you punctuality. They do not owe you obedience. They do not owe you gratitude or reasonableness. None of this is owed to you either. They do not owe you love or devotion either. This is the side effect of the you're owed nothing by the world mentality. If we took your logic to its conclusion then rueven is correct and no employer is owed being bailed out by the government either. All of these things you have to earn yourself from your employees.

It seems as though you have an extreme sense of entitlement yourself. No one owes you anything Fnord and life is not fair.

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Which means your beliefs are built on a weak foundation and you've exposed them for what they are.



huh? what? This reasoning makes zero sense. How do you derive it?

just to digress a moment, I am increasingly in favour of Carl Sagan's proposal of 'colonising' mineral rich asteroid belt bodies and trans Neptunian bodies and equipping them with engines to turn them into vessels/interim homeworlds for interstellar travel.

In regards to the original topic, I was with cubedemon all the way until this point...

Thomas, I agree with everything you and others are saying. Here is the thing. In order for things to change people would have to want to change. We are debating fnord and reuven but what have we accomplished by doing so. I don't think we've accomplished much or really anything by debating them. I have tried using logic with people with their beliefs mainly NTs. It does not work and will not change them.

We are dealing with human nature and one of the things about human nature is if people do not want to do something they will resist it at every turn and if they do want to do something or believe something they will no matter what logic one throws at them. People are going to believe what they want to believe. A lot of people believe what Fnord and Reueven believe and you're not changing their minds unless they want to change their minds. . This is enough to influence public policy.

Because of this I'm beginning to think that trying to reform the system and fight it is pointless. Debating with them will accomplish nothing but will give us grief and aggravation. Space travel and colonization is impractical at this time right now. I want to be free of their madness and I assume so do you. I believe we need to find practical ways in which we can live not for some employer's sake as a slave but for our own. Let's just say I want to find freedom in an unfree world. http://api.ning.com/files/h*cS6KxL-0TFi ... reedom.pdf

We can either continue to debate Fnord and Reuven, as much as it gives me pleasure to do so it wastes our time and taxes our energy, or we can put our time, effort and energy to doing something constructive. Debating Fnord and Reuven has accomplished nothing.

Take a look at this. Occupy L.A. received offers to decamp. http://articles.latimes.com/2011/nov/22 ... e-20111122 This was an opportunity of a life time.

IMHO, they should've taken this land and the rest of the package. It seems like it is a sweet deal. There comes a point in time that one has to stop fighting and start building. Who knows what they could've accomplished with it. They could've gotten away from the employers and in fact become employers themselves and institute reforms through this way.

Why fight, argue, and debate, when we may not have to do these things? Some people in this world are jackals. Metaphorically, you will never change their spots. We're wasting our time doing so.

I dont agree with this answer, while I have the same solution. So its not always the worker that has to change, but everyone wants the same as you wish out of the same deed. To have a working place they are happy with. Some need therefore more social contacts, some like ot have everything organizid, ... So if there is a team you get into, and they are all happy the way they are, you just dont fit in any way because of social chitchat allday and "Mrs. ... should know where that paper was around yesterday...", I accept. Changing everything the way I needed is torture for them. I dont want to torture a functioning band of funny people that are laughing all day. So normally I seek until I found a place with people that are more introverted and so on. There are fewer of them, but they exist. And the good thing: For social people its horrible to work in that places as well, so you have a slight better chance to find such a job.

agreed.

Work is tyranny only to those who think the world owes them a living.

ruveyn

Let's take this to its logical conclusion. What if one does not want to pay for police and fire protection through tax dollars? Can you reject paying taxes for the military especially during a war one may object to? Is it tyranny to make the taxpayers to pay for the roads they drive on. By demanding a police force, military, fire department, , roads, etc are you not forcing others to pay for your protection? By the very nature of society do we not have to force people to do things for you like protection?

How would a society exist without some measure of force in it at all? Should society protect us or are we all responsible for our own protection as well? To me, this you're entitled to nothing and one is absolutely responsible for oneself when taken to its conclusion is absurd. We might as well not even have a society at all.

The reasoning that states that one should not be provided certain things by society because it is a form of slavery and all slavery is a form of tyranny makes no sense to me. If we're going by slavery in this context then how is all slavery tyranny? How is providing someone a living who can't work cruel and oppressive government or rule? How is one being forced into slavery by paying for police and military protection for society as a whole cruel and oppressive government or rule based upon the oxford's definition of tyranny?

How is all slavery a form of tyranny if society must have some levels of it to function?

Loaded statement.

Theres different modes of work, and different positions relative to the means of production.

Some work liberates, most work enslaves.

So you say. You just have not tried hard enough to find "liberating" work. The most liberating work there is, is starting your own business.

ruveyn

Its crossed my mind. I don't know how easy it is to get capital in the states but the problem is here theres zero help available, because the banks aren't lending and I have precious few skills to work with because of the asperger's. My wife, who is pretty resourceful at these sorts of things due to being a former business manager and foreigner from the developing world has similar frustrations. Her head is screwed on too, she has a business degree.

You need eggs to make an omelette. Its a catch 22.

Just a question. What magical process is going to assure each and every Prole satisfaction and woderfulness at work.

Is the Job Fairy going to give to each Prole his Dream Job?

And how do you account for people who work for the Evil Capitalists and still enjoy their work?

ruveyn

In China all concrete has to be hand mixed.

Here are some ideas, courtesy of Winston Wu

http://blog.happierabroad.com/2012/01/h ... th-vs.html