US Government wants to take firearms away by force!

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Suppose you were watching a puppet show, lets say "Punch and Judy". What would you think of a fellow audience member that began cussing at Punch and then went up to the puppet Punch and began hitting him? Totally crazy right? Well, international corporations are the puppeteers and government is the puppet.
What do the anti-government crowd spout? The exact thing their corporate masters (that control the media) want them to say. Less government regulation of international corporations! Less taxes on corporate profits!
It is funny that Obama (one of the best friends Wall Street ever had) is called a Socialist by the corporate controlled media and people believe them.
Sometimes I think sheep deserve to be shorn. But it is wrong to persecute the intellectually challanged, even if they do represent the majority.

EXACTLY RIGHT!! !! !! !! ! government is a puppet organization for the most part paid actors but they put the laws into effect and the corpartations write the laws very recently the monsanto protection act slipped into a spending bill that had nothing to do with it.

Yes walrus there is evidence from thousands of very reputable sources on houndreds of thousands of examples throughout history from around the world if you want to spend the time. I dont have the time to dig and post links or i would do your own research and come to your own conclusions.

In most cases, no one will be there to protect you other than yourself. Best to prepare for that eventuality, even if it doesn't happen.

All three arms of government will laugh at you when you sue them for failing to protect you or someone you care for, even if you do have a logical and right argument.

Luckily, it's not really a dangerous life for most of us unless you go out looking for it.

Firearms only relate to SD as they're one effective means of defending oneself; not a lot of countries allow you to own them for that reason though. Most people who own a firearm will never use it for that reason.

I've kinda realized that arguments for banning firearms are actually an appeal to the majority fallacy in addition to a straw man. One person misuses them, then all must, right? That's why people want to "ban" something, because "one" person misused it.

No, what I do and own has nothing to do with anyone. So get lost.

Oddly, I have done some research. I know that the US government did not know about 9/11. They had a large amount of information, and in retrospect certain small pieces of information (like a trainee pilot asking to try a Boeing 747 simulator after only a few weeks) can be pieced together to point at 9/11, but the government could not reasonably have known about it. In any case, why would they? To start an expensive war that hasn't benefited them in any way?

Pearl Harbour, again- why not just go ahead with the war, but without large amounts of military equipment being damaged? In reality, the US government suspected that an attack was likely, so kept the equipment in one place to stop domestic saboteurs.

Prove that the purpose of gun laws is "to make us more and more dependent on a broken and corrupt system", and not, you know, to stop people shooting each other?

The government is a very big organisation. Most government officials aren't elected, but are essentially just ordinary people. It is beyond the realms of plausibility that every government worker is a psychopath, or even that most are. I doubt they are any more selfish than the rest of the population, or less honest.

Thank you for providing a very sane, rational answer.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer

The purpose of gun laws depends on who wants them. In effect, though, they serve to disable the law abiding from protecting themselves against those that don’t abide by any law.
It’s not rocket science.


There probably are no more or less psychopaths in government than in the private sector. There are for certain more bureaucrats in civil service, though.
I work with civil service people every day and in effect I am one myself since I perform a government function as a contractor employee. Add to that the well enough known fact that government work does lend itself well to undesirables and idiots since it is nigh impossible to get rid of them.

A bureaucrat does not care one way or the other about right or wrong as long as they can find something that says it’s right. There’s usually always enough red tape and conflicting and/or ambiguous regulations to hide any f*ck up with. They take the path of least resistance without regard to what I might cost someone else down the line. They’ll do anything to avoid making waves including falsifying government records. They’re extremely non-committal for fear of taking a stand or worse yet a decision that might trap them in something that turns out to be unpopular.
Half of my day (often more) is spent untangling bureaucratic messes and fixing or orchestrating the fixing of government and government contractor incompetence.

We cannot hope to weed these people out because the ones doing the weeding will most likely be bureaucrats themselves.

The only workable solution is limited government. It stands to reason that a smaller pool of bureaucratic idiots will do less damage than a larger one.

Doesn't seem to work though. I've done the figures myself without bias (though it's only for homicide worldwide, but that seems to be all that people care about); they're on this board, and you can trust me there.

Instead of annoying and going communist on a whole heap of people who'll never harm anyone with their "assault rifle" or pistol, it'd be far better to work on social services that help stop the events that lead to people killing one another (no matter what is used).

What? If people take away guns, there would be a civil war. The idea of the second amendment is to keep things like Tyranny from happening. Who ever says take away guns is full of malarky, and doesn't know what the constitution even means. Besides, the army has plenty of soldiers who would defend our right and help us out if we were ever mistreated.

I doubt it would be possible to round up every gun in the country, nor would the government want the headache to even attempt it.
And the truth of the mater is, while suspicion of the government is a healthy American trait, there is a fine line between healthy suspicion and paranoia. The American government is not plotting to take liberty away from American citizens. Especially since civil rights this century and the last has seen the extension of civil rights to blacks and other disenfranchised minorities, as well as gay Americans.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer

Guns and blades are a liberty of mine and the rest, and I would not prefer the US over say Japan, if any wife of mine could not pack heat, Joe Biden is a pig. Paranoia? I'm not paranoid, I just know it is hogwash to take any firearm away when almost all crimes are committed using stolen guns, they only report the ones that are committed with owned guns to skew views. Who really cares about the men and women and children involved in gang violence, I rarely ever hear about it on the news except when a politician wants to make themselves look good?

Not a concern of wholesale gun confiscation but the incremental regulation or banning of firearms by description and magazine capacity that I have a concern with.
National door to door confiscation would trigger a revolt in it's early stages and it's a potentially dangerous scenario for the government to even entertain.

1. The goverment is not intimidated by a bunch of guys carrying guns. The combined force of Army, Air force, Marines, Navy makes even a large militia insignificant.
2. Those guns do not kill well protected elite. What does the government care if we peons kill each other?
3.Therefore gun control is not a priority for government. Sometimes, they use the issue as a distraction or to get votes from the pro or con gun control audience.

I don't know if anybody else posted this, but.....

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0fSrRjNstCg[/youtube]
if moderately intelligent people can duplicate what this fella did, then what?

The government is still not going to take your guns.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer

Eh, it's easy to make a longbow that can kill an elephant if you feel like it. You only need an axe and a knife to bang out a functional one within about a week (any hardwood tree will do).