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12 Apr 2018, 11:49 am

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It boils down to whatever it takes to get a vote. There is an unfair gap between welfare income and the work it takes to out-earn benefits. Liberals WANT you to believe your situation is hopeless so you’ll keep playing the victim and keep voting for them. But with each passing election cycle there are only more broken promises and more excuses. And that tells me they don’t want to help you. They want you to think it’s all someone else’s fault. They know that if your problem gets solved, there’s no one to blame, which means they have to actually find a REAL issue to champion. Having a permanent underclass to represent is the easiest way to achieve their goals.

This kind of slander is the reason many people don't like conservatives. You spread outright lies to bolster your beliefs. Yet you whine like pathetic little snowflakes if anyone on the left does the same to you. What sickening hypocrisy.



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12 Apr 2018, 12:15 pm

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It boils down to whatever it takes to get a vote. There is an unfair gap between welfare income and the work it takes to out-earn benefits. Liberals WANT you to believe your situation is hopeless so you’ll keep playing the victim and keep voting for them. But with each passing election cycle there are only more broken promises and more excuses. And that tells me they don’t want to help you. They want you to think it’s all someone else’s fault. They know that if your problem gets solved, there’s no one to blame, which means they have to actually find a REAL issue to champion. Having a permanent underclass to represent is the easiest way to achieve their goals.

This kind of slander is the reason many people don't like conservatives. You spread outright lies to bolster your beliefs. Yet you whine like pathetic little snowflakes if anyone on the left does the same to you. What sickening hypocrisy.


Yeah that is the kind of thing that bothers me, I don't really see a lot of liberals trying to say everything is hopeless or encouraging that mindset. Also, I am not sure what broken promises are being referred to exactly, seems like no matter who is in office there are always some broken promises...So yeah I don't think that is a liberal or a conservative thing probably more like once a person becomes president they might not be able to actually do all the things they said they would.

It would seem even good old Trump broke some promises...are his broken promises somehow less relevant than broken promises of Democratic presidents


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12 Apr 2018, 1:40 pm

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I lost my patience with them when it became plain to anybody paying attention, that they hold the lower class to be beneath contempt and wouldn't piss on us if we were on fire, when it became obvious that they think we're just "useless eaters" and that we fully deserve to suffer and perish if we couldn't afford their criminally overpriced health care.

Do you honestly think the middle class and elites on the left wouldn’t do the same?
Do you think Bloomberg gives a crap about you? He doesn’t. Neither do any of the celebrities or other millionaires and billionaires on the left. Don’t see any of them opening their mansions to homeless people.
This is t a left or right issu it’s a well off vs poor isssue. Only difference between a rich conservative and a rich liberal is wether they support abortion or gun control. They pretty much align on hating poor people.

the GOP has [with the unlikely exception of Nixon, and was shot down by his own crooked party] lifted a finger to make health care more affordable to the working class. when #44 pushed through PPACA, it was against united GOP opposition. that tells me that the GOP is my enemy here, not the democrats.


Neither have the democrats. Obama care just made insurance companies richer, I’m sure they all got nice checks from insurance companies. They could have done what other countries do and mandate prices.
I get free insurance from ssdi. I couldn’t afford to buy insurance otherwise. Mandating everyone has to. Up insurance they can’t afford wasn’t making health care more affordable. Obama car didn’t decrease health care costs at all.
Also wasn’t the original obama care designed by the gop and romneycare as liberals call it. Or is that a liberal lie?

They both your enemy, they are controlled by the same rich elite. You’ve just played into their divide and conquer plan, well done. Trust me rich democrats which includes all politicians don’t give a rats ass about me or you.



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12 Apr 2018, 1:46 pm

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I lost my patience with them when it became plain to anybody paying attention, that they hold the lower class to be beneath contempt and wouldn't piss on us if we were on fire, when it became obvious that they think we're just "useless eaters" and that we fully deserve to suffer and perish if we couldn't afford their criminally overpriced health care.

Do you honestly think the middle class and elites on the left wouldn’t do the same?
Do you think Bloomberg gives a crap about you? He doesn’t. Neither do any of the celebrities or other millionaires and billionaires on the left. Don’t see any of them opening their mansions to homeless people.
This is t a left or right issu it’s a well off vs poor isssue. Only difference between a rich conservative and a rich liberal is wether they support abortion or gun control. They pretty much align on hating poor people.

the GOP has [with the unlikely exception of Nixon, and was shot down by his own crooked party] lifted a finger to make health care more affordable to the working class. when #44 pushed through PPACA, it was against united GOP opposition. that tells me that the GOP is my enemy here, not the democrats.


Neither have the democrats. Obama care just made insurance companies richer, I’m sure they all got nice checks from insurance companies. They could have done what other countries do and mandate prices.
I get free insurance from ssdi. I couldn’t afford to buy insurance otherwise. Mandating everyone has to. Up insurance they can’t afford wasn’t making health care more affordable. Obama car didn’t decrease health care costs at all.
Also wasn’t the original obama care designed by the gop and romneycare as liberals call it. Or is that a liberal lie?

They both your enemy, they are controlled by the same rich elite. You’ve just played into their divide and conquer plan, well done. Trust me rich democrats which includes all politicians don’t give a rats ass about me or you.


Why do you think liberals are trying to infiltrate the democratic party with actual liberal ideas? See that is the thing lots of Liberals are sick of the Democratic party as it currently exists.

Obamacare isn't a bad example...see I was for it initially because I thought it was a move towards Universal Healthcare, but it stopped short of that and wasn't much different than what already existed. Insurance companies still act as middle-man between you and your healthcare. I imagine I am not the only liberal who was disappointed with that.

I keep trying to tell people 'the left' isn't a big organized group full of people with the exact same opinions...but some refuse to believe it. Lol I've argued with people on the left I disagree with just as hard as I've argued with people on the right I disagree with.

I mean sure it can be easy to blanket generalize a huge varied demographic like that...but its inaccurate and wrong. Would it be fair for me to say everyone on the right is a neo-nazi or neo-nazi sympathizer just because neo-nazis identify as a right wing group? Of course not, so what would be the point in doing that aside from alienating people I could potentially find common ground with.


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Leftists would really love you, though.

For being an aspie. For not having the ability to help yourself.

I’m not saying this is your reality. I don’t know your situation. But their attitude is “oh, but you’re on the spectrum. You don’t need to worry about that. We have ‘programs’ to take care of you.” The subtext is that you better remember where your check is coming from next time you vote.

I’m a conservative. That doesn’t mean I’m against welfare. If you are mentally and physically incapable of earning money, then take your check, stay on your couch and play video games every day for the rest of your life for all I care. No sarcasm, here, I’m being serious. I’ll say that I’m sorry for your situation and that I’m glad you can still manage to do slightly better than survive and that I’m jealous of how you get to spend your day.

What I dislike is while I do think welfare should be easy for those who genuinely need it, whose survival depends on it, and for whom there really are no options, it’s a little too easy for those whose situations are not that dire really. And that’s not even touching the abuse of the system. People who max out their EBT on junk food and soft drinks and resell it at their portable building “snack shop.” They convert government money into cash so they can get high or drunk on the weekend.

Leftists encourage that kind of thing. They don’t mind the corruption because that’s half the reward. Of course you can make money off EBT. It should be your money to spend on whatever you want. Those restrictions aren’t OUT policies...

It boils down to whatever it takes to get a vote. There is an unfair gap between welfare income and the work it takes to out-earn benefits. Liberals WANT you to believe your situation is hopeless so you’ll keep playing the victim and keep voting for them. But with each passing election cycle there are only more broken promises and more excuses. And that tells me they don’t want to help you. They want you to think it’s all someone else’s fault. They know that if your problem gets solved, there’s no one to blame, which means they have to actually find a REAL issue to champion. Having a permanent underclass to represent is the easiest way to achieve their goals.

They love aspies and anyone else on the spectrum because often we are lifelong dependents. As I said, there’s nothing wrong with that. It’s just the notion that they will do anything to keep us on the plantation that bothers me.


I’m asumming you mean ssi when you say programs?
There’s no adult autistic programs the government pays for, they pay for tons and tins of child ones , but once you’re 18 they don’t give a crap. There’s programs that’d help me but they cost $300-500 per program. There’s some grants but there’s lots of adult autistics in my area, and not enough grants. They have dating and relationships programs, cooking programs, etc. if your a kid the government will pay your way.
Great for kids but what about all the adults who the government didn’t help with this programs?
No such things existed when I was growing up. There was no help for me to help me socialize. I just got a special reading and writing class(I also took regular writing class sometimes which was confusing) that was it. They didn’t have programs for aspies or autistics in my state growing up. Now they do great, but shouldn’t they try to help the adult ones ? Maybe we’d be able to better fit into society and find work.

Selling their food stamps bought stuff. I don’t know anyone that does that. But isn’t that the glorious capitalism the right always says is the one true way of life?

I get ssdi,got ssi, going have to get food stamps again. I’ve always voted republican for the most part. I meet others who do the same, seems their plan fails.



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12 Apr 2018, 1:57 pm

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Neither have the democrats. Obama care just made insurance companies richer, I’m sure they all got nice checks from insurance companies. They could have done what other countries do and mandate prices.
I get free insurance from ssdi. I couldn’t afford to buy insurance otherwise. Mandating everyone has to. Up insurance they can’t afford wasn’t making health care more affordable. Obama car didn’t decrease health care costs at all.


I think that Obama actually did lower the cost of healthcare ... though Romney was going to do the same thing.

I still dislike the Democrats for supressing the Green Party and various other legit leftist organisations, though they are slightly better than the Republicans ... though only slightly.

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Also wasn’t the original obama care designed by the gop and romneycare as liberals call it. Or is that a liberal lie?


The neoconservative Heritage Foundation was pushing for something similar to Obamacare during the presidency of Bush Senior.

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They both your enemy, they are controlled by the same rich elite. You’ve just played into their divide and conquer plan, well done. Trust me rich democrats which includes all politicians don’t give a rats ass about me or you.


They are both horrible parties ... though the Republican Party is somewhat worse. After all, the Democrats need to perpetuate the illusion that they are liberal, so they do things that are actually liberal from time to time.


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12 Apr 2018, 2:01 pm

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I get ssdi,got ssi, going have to get food stamps again. I’ve always voted republican for the most part. I meet others who do the same, seems their plan fails.


I just don't understand why when republicans openly say they want to cut things like social security, SSI and food stamps. Like what benefit do you think you get from voting for these republicans? Too me it kind of looks like purposely stubbing your toe...like why on earth vote for a party that's policies are likely to directly harm you.


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I lost my patience with them when it became plain to anybody paying attention, that they hold the lower class to be beneath contempt and wouldn't piss on us if we were on fire, when it became obvious that they think we're just "useless eaters" and that we fully deserve to suffer and perish if we couldn't afford their criminally overpriced health care.

Do you honestly think the middle class and elites on the left wouldn’t do the same?
Do you think Bloomberg gives a crap about you? He doesn’t. Neither do any of the celebrities or other millionaires and billionaires on the left. Don’t see any of them opening their mansions to homeless people.
This is t a left or right issu it’s a well off vs poor isssue. Only difference between a rich conservative and a rich liberal is wether they support abortion or gun control. They pretty much align on hating poor people.


They also might not support corporate welfare or cutting things like your SSI to fund a useless wall. However that is also why I like socialism....it would also keep uber wealthy lefties in check as well as the uber wealthy righties. I mean just getting a democrat in office next won't fix all the issues...there are wealthy lobbyists on both sides with too much political influence.


Is that why oabam and democrats bailed out chase, Chevy and other companies that screwed over poor people then because of it when bankrupt. That’s corporate welfare. Obama and his party bailed out tons and tons of companies. Chase gave out bad loans. I owe chase money but chase got their debt which mine is part of wiped away by obama clause they too big to fail. But I still owe chase money. So chase gets free money and got their debt wipe clean. So do tell again how democrats don’t support corporate welfare? They won’t wipe my debt. I’m just a poor person on ssdi. I’m too small so it’s ok if I fail. They should have let chase and Chevy go under along with all the other companies. They screwed over poor people democrats claim to love and protect.
You do realize social security is going empty because Democrats borrowed money from it for this general fund right? Like social security made profits and out it back for the future it’d probably e fine for another few horrible ndred years off the interest. But democrats and some republicans looked and saw a lot of money so they passed a laws and took the social security savings every year and put it into the general fund, they also took money from ssi to give to ssdi. Now ssi is going to run out and they want the IOUs paid back and both parties are like “what IOUs.” See both parties are just greedy selfish money loving a*****les. They both robbe social security of its money and to hide it they rigged cola adjustments so we are getting very little money. Social security should be like 1,200-2,000 payout. But we get what 765 and it was 750 few years ago. How much has food, gas, rent, electricity etc all gone up? We get about the same as in the 1990s and cost of living has gone up a lot. But they robbed social security of its money, so if it kept up with cost of living it’d ran out years ago. People might have realized they robbed it. Somthey screwed us over and rigged the cola so while our money Is devalue every year and prices for stuff goes up we on social security get no real increases. How far does your extra $16 go? Mine doesn’t go far. For older people paying medical insurance and pills it doesn’t help at all.
Neither party likes us. They’ll use us until we are not useful,and throw us away.



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I just don't understand why when republicans openly say they want to cut things like social security, SSI and food stamps. Like what benefit do you think you get from voting for these republicans? Too me it kind of looks like purposely stubbing your toe...like why on earth vote for a party that's policies are likely to directly harm you.


A lot of Republicans believe that every "gangsta" is on welfare because this is a classic piece of Republican rhetoric.

In other words, the Republican voters believe that, by eliminating the social safety net, they can starve all the criminals, leaving only the honest Americans.


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sly279 wrote:
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I lost my patience with them when it became plain to anybody paying attention, that they hold the lower class to be beneath contempt and wouldn't piss on us if we were on fire, when it became obvious that they think we're just "useless eaters" and that we fully deserve to suffer and perish if we couldn't afford their criminally overpriced health care.

Do you honestly think the middle class and elites on the left wouldn’t do the same?
Do you think Bloomberg gives a crap about you? He doesn’t. Neither do any of the celebrities or other millionaires and billionaires on the left. Don’t see any of them opening their mansions to homeless people.
This is t a left or right issu it’s a well off vs poor isssue. Only difference between a rich conservative and a rich liberal is wether they support abortion or gun control. They pretty much align on hating poor people.


They also might not support corporate welfare or cutting things like your SSI to fund a useless wall. However that is also why I like socialism....it would also keep uber wealthy lefties in check as well as the uber wealthy righties. I mean just getting a democrat in office next won't fix all the issues...there are wealthy lobbyists on both sides with too much political influence.


Is that why oabam and democrats bailed out chase, Chevy and other companies that screwed over poor people then because of it when bankrupt. That’s corporate welfare. Obama and his party bailed out tons and tons of companies. Chase gave out bad loans. I owe chase money but chase got their debt which mine is part of wiped away by obama clause they too big to fail. But I still owe chase money. So chase gets free money and got their debt wipe clean. So do tell again how democrats don’t support corporate welfare? They won’t wipe my debt. I’m just a poor person on ssdi. I’m too small so it’s ok if I fail. They should have let chase and Chevy go under along with all the other companies. They screwed over poor people democrats claim to love and protect.
You do realize social security is going empty because Democrats borrowed money from it for this general fund right? Like social security made profits and out it back for the future it’d probably e fine for another few horrible ndred years off the interest. But democrats and some republicans looked and saw a lot of money so they passed a laws and took the social security savings every year and put it into the general fund, they also took money from ssi to give to ssdi. Now ssi is going to run out and they want the IOUs paid back and both parties are like “what IOUs.” See both parties are just greedy selfish money loving a*****les. They both robbe social security of its money and to hide it they rigged cola adjustments so we are getting very little money. Social security should be like 1,200-2,000 payout. But we get what 765 and it was 750 few years ago. How much has food, gas, rent, electricity etc all gone up? We get about the same as in the 1990s and cost of living has gone up a lot. But they robbed social security of its money, so if it kept up with cost of living it’d ran out years ago. People might have realized they robbed it. Somthey screwed us over and rigged the cola so while our money Is devalue every year and prices for stuff goes up we on social security get no real increases. How far does your extra $16 go? Mine doesn’t go far. For older people paying medical insurance and pills it doesn’t help at all.
Neither party likes us. They’ll use us until we are not useful,and throw us away.


I didn't say the democrats don't support corporate welfare, I know they do...the way I see it the Democratic party is a little less bad than the Republican party(because from time to time they actually pass a liberal policy), but not by much. Maybe you misunderstand I am a liberal but I dislike the Republican and Democratic parties, both are quite self serving rather than serving the people they are supposed to represent. I mean I was pretty pissed last election that regardless of an outpouring of support for Bernie, freaking Bernie fever...and who did they nominate as their candidate? Hillary. It was a slap in the face to a lot of liberals.

It's a broken system and perhaps all the conflict and infighting among citizens is a symptom of this.


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I get ssdi,got ssi, going have to get food stamps again. I’ve always voted republican for the most part. I meet others who do the same, seems their plan fails.


I just don't understand why when republicans openly say they want to cut things like social security, SSI and food stamps. Like what benefit do you think you get from voting for these republicans? Too me it kind of looks like purposely stubbing your toe...like why on earth vote for a party that's policies are likely to directly harm you.


The democrats say we are dangerous and shouldn’t have rights.
Rights and freedoms trump maybe losing my ssi and food stamps.
I’d rather die poor and homeless then live in a unfree society
Sorry if I’m not much a fan of a party that says we are dangerous people who
do mass shootings and shouldn’t have our rights or should be locked up. Most republicans won’t remove social security. It’d b politicial suicide. Most the us military gets welfar. Paul Ryan is an extremist who dreams of a pure capitalist society. Most republicans aren’t as extreme. He’d be hard pressed to get th vote. Look there party wanted to remove obama care, they had the majority, they had the president. But low and behold they couldn’t get the republican votes. Because many of this republicans come from states with high welfar and people who benefit from it. And it’d kick a lot of people off insurance and cause a social uproar, losing them the congress in the next election. And all they care about is staying in office. So no I doubt they cut social security. It’s a pipe dream. Most who are against it even say once something is in place it’s near impossible to get it removed. What is it 1/5 of Americans on social security? It’s been around since 1930s. It’s too ingraved into our system and society t be stripped. We won’t ever see obama care go either. They just make work arounds for its bad parts. Republicans get money from insurance companies too.

Exactly why would I vote for a party that’s directly immediately going to harm me aka democrats who want to strip me of my rights and take my guns. My state is run by democrats, it’s in debt and attacking gun rights right now. The previous governor ran for relection, barely win, resigned for corruption then out an also corrupt person into the office. Yay. And on top of all that on top of thekmwanting to keep income taxes they want to do sales tax and tax food, their property taxes cause rent to go up. How will the poor they say they love so much afford their double taxes on our earned money and double tax on our food? Food is already expensive wait until it’s taxed when I buy it and when the company makes it. I’m sure I’ll be able to afford food then :roll:
But on top of all their taxes and corruption they want to strip gun rights even though we have one of the lowest murder and crime rates in the nation. So forgive me if I’m not quite in favor of corrupt antingun democrats who want to tax me to death.
You smoke right? Well they tax weed heavily. State has a tax 15% county taxes 20% and th y city also democrats taxes another 20% so enjoy your 55% tax on weed every time you buy. No wonder people who smoke didn’t want it legal.
They tax gas(raised it again this yea), but people been driving hybrids and electric cars more like they pushed for. So now they want to do a miles tax along with the gas tax. Double taxing again. And we have a lot of bike riders here, so they are now doing a bike tax. Tax tax tax tax tax tax tax. Where th money goes no one knows well under the previous one it turned out a lot went to his gfs company. And they spend slot on a trans bridge no one wanted.
Oh and whenever they pass laws thy use the state of emergency clause so it can’t be removed by ballot. Cause thy know we try cause the people don’t want it. So thy remove our voice and right to bring it to a state wide vote.
Is this the party I should support?



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I just don't understand why when republicans openly say they want to cut things like social security, SSI and food stamps. Like what benefit do you think you get from voting for these republicans? Too me it kind of looks like purposely stubbing your toe...like why on earth vote for a party that's policies are likely to directly harm you.


A lot of Republicans believe that every "gangsta" is on welfare because this is a classic piece of Republican rhetoric.

In other words, the Republican voters believe that, by eliminating the social safety net, they can starve all the criminals, leaving only the honest Americans.


LOl yes lets fight welfare fraud by getting rid of the social safety net and screwing over all the people that actually need the help.


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Sweetleaf wrote:
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Sweetleaf wrote:
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auntblabby wrote:
I lost my patience with them when it became plain to anybody paying attention, that they hold the lower class to be beneath contempt and wouldn't piss on us if we were on fire, when it became obvious that they think we're just "useless eaters" and that we fully deserve to suffer and perish if we couldn't afford their criminally overpriced health care.

Do you honestly think the middle class and elites on the left wouldn’t do the same?
Do you think Bloomberg gives a crap about you? He doesn’t. Neither do any of the celebrities or other millionaires and billionaires on the left. Don’t see any of them opening their mansions to homeless people.
This is t a left or right issu it’s a well off vs poor isssue. Only difference between a rich conservative and a rich liberal is wether they support abortion or gun control. They pretty much align on hating poor people.


They also might not support corporate welfare or cutting things like your SSI to fund a useless wall. However that is also why I like socialism....it would also keep uber wealthy lefties in check as well as the uber wealthy righties. I mean just getting a democrat in office next won't fix all the issues...there are wealthy lobbyists on both sides with too much political influence.


Is that why oabam and democrats bailed out chase, Chevy and other companies that screwed over poor people then because of it when bankrupt. That’s corporate welfare. Obama and his party bailed out tons and tons of companies. Chase gave out bad loans. I owe chase money but chase got their debt which mine is part of wiped away by obama clause they too big to fail. But I still owe chase money. So chase gets free money and got their debt wipe clean. So do tell again how democrats don’t support corporate welfare? They won’t wipe my debt. I’m just a poor person on ssdi. I’m too small so it’s ok if I fail. They should have let chase and Chevy go under along with all the other companies. They screwed over poor people democrats claim to love and protect.
You do realize social security is going empty because Democrats borrowed money from it for this general fund right? Like social security made profits and out it back for the future it’d probably e fine for another few horrible ndred years off the interest. But democrats and some republicans looked and saw a lot of money so they passed a laws and took the social security savings every year and put it into the general fund, they also took money from ssi to give to ssdi. Now ssi is going to run out and they want the IOUs paid back and both parties are like “what IOUs.” See both parties are just greedy selfish money loving a*****les. They both robbe social security of its money and to hide it they rigged cola adjustments so we are getting very little money. Social security should be like 1,200-2,000 payout. But we get what 765 and it was 750 few years ago. How much has food, gas, rent, electricity etc all gone up? We get about the same as in the 1990s and cost of living has gone up a lot. But they robbed social security of its money, so if it kept up with cost of living it’d ran out years ago. People might have realized they robbed it. Somthey screwed us over and rigged the cola so while our money Is devalue every year and prices for stuff goes up we on social security get no real increases. How far does your extra $16 go? Mine doesn’t go far. For older people paying medical insurance and pills it doesn’t help at all.
Neither party likes us. They’ll use us until we are not useful,and throw us away.


I didn't say the democrats don't support corporate welfare, I know they do...the way I see it the Democratic party is a little less bad than the Republican party(because from time to time they actually pass a liberal policy), but not by much. Maybe you misunderstand I am a liberal but I dislike the Republican and Democratic parties, both are quite self serving rather than serving the people they are supposed to represent. I mean I was pretty pissed last election that regardless of an outpouring of support for Bernie, freaking Bernie fever...and who did they nominate as their candidate? Hillary. It was a slap in the face to a lot of liberals.

It's a broken system and perhaps all the conflict and infighting among citizens is a symptom of this.


They promised her it when she agreed to bail out and let obama win in 2008. They rigged it then they rigged it for her. She as always going be the one running in 2016.

It’s not the symptom it’s the plan. Keep us fighting each other whole the elit gets what they want. A house divided can not stand
Let’s be honest, left or right neither like the wealthy elite. I’ve seen people on both sides and most don’t like the elit having so much power. But they fight each other cause different parties, this ha been the plan for a long time.



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12 Apr 2018, 2:35 pm

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I just don't understand why when republicans openly say they want to cut things like social security, SSI and food stamps. Like what benefit do you think you get from voting for these republicans? Too me it kind of looks like purposely stubbing your toe...like why on earth vote for a party that's policies are likely to directly harm you.


A lot of Republicans believe that every "gangsta" is on welfare because this is a classic piece of Republican rhetoric.

In other words, the Republican voters believe that, by eliminating the social safety net, they can starve all the criminals, leaving only the honest Americans.


LOl yes lets fight welfare fraud by getting rid of the social safety net and screwing over all the people that actually need the help.

I watch a lot of people on the right on YouTube. Do you know what they want?
Remove the bureaucracy, it cost more to have examined and tests, checks, all those social security offices all those social security employees. They want to keep social security but cut the costs down from all the government bull crap.
But all those employees are government unions and democrats so it won’t happen



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12 Apr 2018, 2:44 pm

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I get ssdi,got ssi, going have to get food stamps again. I’ve always voted republican for the most part. I meet others who do the same, seems their plan fails.


I just don't understand why when republicans openly say they want to cut things like social security, SSI and food stamps. Like what benefit do you think you get from voting for these republicans? Too me it kind of looks like purposely stubbing your toe...like why on earth vote for a party that's policies are likely to directly harm you.


The democrats say we are dangerous and shouldn’t have rights.
Rights and freedoms trump maybe losing my ssi and food stamps.
I’d rather die poor and homeless then live in a unfree society
Sorry if I’m not much a fan of a party that says we are dangerous people who
do mass shootings and shouldn’t have our rights or should be locked up. Most republicans won’t remove social security. It’d b politicial suicide. Most the us military gets welfar. Paul Ryan is an extremist who dreams of a pure capitalist society. Most republicans aren’t as extreme. He’d be hard pressed to get th vote. Look there party wanted to remove obama care, they had the majority, they had the president. But low and behold they couldn’t get the republican votes. Because many of this republicans come from states with high welfar and people who benefit from it. And it’d kick a lot of people off insurance and cause a social uproar, losing them the congress in the next election. And all they care about is staying in office. So no I doubt they cut social security. It’s a pipe dream. Most who are against it even say once something is in place it’s near impossible to get it removed. What is it 1/5 of Americans on social security? It’s been around since 1930s. It’s too ingraved into our system and society t be stripped. We won’t ever see obama care go either. They just make work arounds for its bad parts. Republicans get money from insurance companies too.

Exactly why would I vote for a party that’s directly immediately going to harm me aka democrats who want to strip me of my rights and take my guns. My state is run by democrats, it’s in debt and attacking gun rights right now. The previous governor ran for relection, barely win, resigned for corruption then out an also corrupt person into the office. Yay. And on top of all that on top of thekmwanting to keep income taxes they want to do sales tax and tax food, their property taxes cause rent to go up. How will the poor they say they love so much afford their double taxes on our earned money and double tax on our food? Food is already expensive wait until it’s taxed when I buy it and when the company makes it. I’m sure I’ll be able to afford food then :roll:
But on top of all their taxes and corruption they want to strip gun rights even though we have one of the lowest murder and crime rates in the nation. So forgive me if I’m not quite in favor of corrupt antingun democrats who want to tax me to death.
You smoke right? Well they tax weed heavily. State has a tax 15% county taxes 20% and th y city also democrats taxes another 20% so enjoy your 55% tax on weed every time you buy. No wonder people who smoke didn’t want it legal.
They tax gas(raised it again this yea), but people been driving hybrids and electric cars more like they pushed for. So now they want to do a miles tax along with the gas tax. Double taxing again. And we have a lot of bike riders here, so they are now doing a bike tax. Tax tax tax tax tax tax tax. Where th money goes no one knows well under the previous one it turned out a lot went to his gfs company. And they spend slot on a trans bridge no one wanted.
Oh and whenever they pass laws thy use the state of emergency clause so it can’t be removed by ballot. Cause thy know we try cause the people don’t want it. So thy remove our voice and right to bring it to a state wide vote.
Is this the party I should support?


As I've said I am not a fan of the Democratic party either.

That said though there is no way they are going to be able to ban and take away all the guns, just isn't going to happen more realistic regulations are likely to previal. Also, Trump seems to think mental health is to blame for shootings, and if I recall he said something about wanting to bring back institutions...you think that is good for people like you? He'd just assume people like you or me be thrown away there than collect things like SSI or EBT? Point is both parties are trash, you shouldn't support either.


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12 Apr 2018, 2:53 pm

sly279 wrote:
Sweetleaf wrote:
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I just don't understand why when republicans openly say they want to cut things like social security, SSI and food stamps. Like what benefit do you think you get from voting for these republicans? Too me it kind of looks like purposely stubbing your toe...like why on earth vote for a party that's policies are likely to directly harm you.


A lot of Republicans believe that every "gangsta" is on welfare because this is a classic piece of Republican rhetoric.

In other words, the Republican voters believe that, by eliminating the social safety net, they can starve all the criminals, leaving only the honest Americans.


LOl yes lets fight welfare fraud by getting rid of the social safety net and screwing over all the people that actually need the help.

I watch a lot of people on the right on YouTube. Do you know what they want?
Remove the bureaucracy, it cost more to have examined and tests, checks, all those social security offices all those social security employees. They want to keep social security but cut the costs down from all the government bull crap.
But all those employees are government unions and democrats so it won’t happen


But how would simply cutting funds to those programs solve that issue? There are problems with the bureaucracy for sure but simply cutting the money that goes into those programs will do nothing to solve that. Maybe, some of these people you've seen on youtube have some better ideas as to how it can be solved but plenty of Republican politicians have publicly expressed just wanting to cut the programs. They haven't said anything about fixing the bureaucracy issues and making it more efficient to cut costs. They just talk about making cuts.


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