Phil's comments on Duck Dynasty

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What the hell is a normal person Raptor? I consider anyone abnormal that can sit through several hours of that DD show.I think this is definite proof that America is slipping,Little Sally and Bobby can't read,and believe that show is real.If the majority of American think that show is awesome,than we truly are a f****d duck.I'm thinking of Idiocracy here.I pretty much think all reality shows are garbage.The Paris Hilton one,Anna Nicole,Kardashians,all for people who are too dense to follow the plot on a decent show.And where are those losers now?
Call of the Wild Man makes to many sudden loud noises for me.I suppose anyone that rescues animals is better than some one that says they love to blow the head off something.
Jersey Shore was the big thing awhile back,it's passé now.
So now Jacoby is assuming that all Southerners are racist.Now why on earth would you think that turtle man or what ever he's called could be racist?Now you are stereotyping,for all you know he has a black wife.
And pagans and Buddhist practitioners also say grace before a meal.I bet the Duck f***s don't say it when that cameras not rolling.

IIRC, the man has been quite active in his church and was well known for being devout well before the cameras showed up.

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IIRC, the man has been quite active in his church and was well known for being devout well before the cameras showed up.[/quote]

I've got to second this. I've known quite a few guys like him, and I bet he says worse when the cameras aren't on. I know a guy who shares the exact same opinions and is in his late 60's. Nice as he can be to me, even though I'm not Christian and I'm pro choice and pro gay marriage and he knows this. We discuss issues sometimes but usually he just wants to make snarky comments to get me riled up or just in general and he will go on for hours about that s**t if you don't interrupt him and say "Mr Gary, I just don't want to hear any more about it right now. I really don't." then he will be quiet, after saying "OK, but on judgment day you can't say you weren't warned". He says a lot worse than Phil did.

The hard thing to understand, if you haven't been raised around these types, is that they are nice guys and they don't mean any harm and they honestly think they are doing you a favor by telling you. And then praying for you to understand it. They really can't see that you have such a "crazy opinion" and that you aren't on some level just messing with them because you "seem so normal otherwise". They wouldn't be mean to somebody who was gay/Muslim/Pagan/black/an abortion doctor/etc, but they would make sure the person knew their views on it and it would be said in a nice tone and then dropped. For about ten minutes and then brought back up again in a roundabout way when something else reminded them of another point they just have to make because that's the important one that will probably change your mind. Then they hush. For fifteen minutes, until the above happens again.

Yes, I mentioned abortion doctors and there are the absolute fringe nutjobs who shoot them or advocate shooting them, but I was good friends with a guy who advocated shooting them. Fr Trosch. I met him when I interviewed him for this article, and we hit it off because I wanted to talk and debate and then we went on to other things about the Catholic church and I was Catholic at the time, and we just ended up talking about other things. Even knowing that I was pro choice, he was my friend and he even came to visit over Easter and stayed that weekend with us one year. He had no desire to go see the clinics or the protestors, he just wanted to look at some of the churches in downtown, so we went on church tours. And to the zoo. And the Vulcan. He had some opinions that made me want to strangle him, but I'm sure I had the same effect on him.

My point is, those kind of guys will say worse when they are relaxed and among friends, whether the friends agree or not. And they do have friends who disagree, because not all rednecks think like that. But, I'm sure he didn't say it on camera because he knew it would be a problem for the show and I think he's just tired of the show now, they all probably are, so this is a way to go out with a bang. They don't have to create a scandal, they just have to stop hushing up the guy that's already there.

So if you were black and gay and broke down on the side of the road you would feel comfortable if he stopped to help you?Id walk before I got in a truck with him.
Things "nice" rednecks have done in my life.One drove through Camden Ark in the back of a pick up truck shooting at black people on the street.Another man from the same town was sold bogus drugs by a man of color,he tied that man up and drug him behind his truck till he was dead.In Harrison there used to be a sign outside town that said "N***%^ don't let the sun go down on you here."And they meant it.Once in a Wendy's a black man was eating and one of the other customers glared at him and said,"I better go home and get my shotgun"Why,because he was black.When my daughter and I were having drinks in Little Rock and were waiting on her friend to arrive, an older man sat down with us and was very friendly till A. showed up.Then the older gent glared hatefully at my daughter and I,and stormed off.Why?Because A is VERY black and was sitting down with two white women.My ex was from that general area on the LA/ARK border.I lived down there for years so I know how very racist the people in that area are,I was married to one for over twenty years.If you were a hippie walking on the side of the road you had a good chance of getting hit with something when someone drove by.My Aunt and Uncle by marriage had a home health worker that was black and they would use the N word right in front of her.I apologized to her for them.They would never have done it.
And as far as him being known to go to church,so did Swaggert and Baker.One of the biggest church goers in this town stole some cedar logs off us,yet he was in church every Sunday.The biggest crooks and swindlers often have regular church attendants.
I have lived around these types,and no,they are not all nice.
We are responsible for our culture,and unless we stand up to bigots and tell them that is not acceptable in the South anymore,things will never change.
If he was an old Nazi could he get away with saying "Oh,the Jews were so happy in those camps?"I don't get why anyone would want to be remembered for being narrow minded,not much of a legacy to leave behind.

If he was older, I probably would feel ok. He's not gonna know I'm gay unless I tell him and he can't exactly preach to me about being black by myself can he? I wouldn't anticipate a pleasant ride, but if the walk was long I'd take a ride with an old redneck. It's the young ones that cause the trouble and hurt people and do crazy s**t, in my experience. I've been around some hardcore s**t in my life but I ain't never seen nobody beat up, hurt, etc just for being black. Or gay either. Maybe I'm sheltered but with the life I've lived I doubt it. I've seen folks, both black and white, hurt for other reasons but not for color or color related s**t. The only color related violence I've seen was back in West End when the gangs were starting up and that was over red and blue and not black and white.

I'm not saying it doesn't happen, cause I know it does. But I've never seen it, and trust me it's not that the folks I've been around respect my sensibilities too much or are afraid I'd run off and rat on them (which I just might if they hurt somebody for no reason like that). I've also never seen anybody actively harassed for being gay, although I knew that Jeff, who was a few years older than me in school, was picked on but I never saw it. I'm not saying I never hear about these things on the news, or back when I was young heard about young guys talking about beating up people for being black or gay, I just never saw it and wasn't sure even then that I believed them.

I know it happens, but I haven't seen anybody I know do it or anybody really. Yeah I did go to that Klan rally to be a smartass. Yeah I know there are Klansmen there who did those kinds of things. I don't think they were nice either. I'm talking about the old people like Phil that I know who go around spouting off like he does. I think they are more mouth than anything and the most they would do is tell you to leave or point a gun at you and tell you to get off their property, which I've had done to me for things I've said before. Hell, I've been chased with a gun up Princeton Avenue buy a crazy drunk for something I said, and I know it's not at all the same thing, it's for something I said and not something I am, but it was the truth. My point with my experiences with nuts is that I know they go off over nothing and when they get to drinking they can get dumbass ideas and go do them. Like beat up people because they look different, or have different feelings or are different people altogether. I mean I'm absolutely sure it happens, because if a guy will shoot or beat within an inch of his life, another guy who just pulls for the wrong football team then I'm sure that they would get violent over something that's marginally more important to them like their misguided spin they put on their religion and their twisted ideas of their Southern Heritage. So, yeah it happens. But I don't think it happens all that often. Don't get me wrong, once is too much, but I don't think that everybody who is a bigot goes riding around with their lights off carrying sawed offs and ball bats. I just don't. I've known way too many bigots and haters to believe that. Some do, but I wouldn't think the majority do.

I also think the younger guys who go beat up gay people because they are gay do it because as we all know, there is no absolutely straight or absolutely gay, there is a scale. And everybody falls on that scale somewhere. So guys who put all their stock in being uber macho manly men who are the epitome of what a sweet little gal would want, when they have the perfectly normal erotic thought or feeling about another guy, even if it's in passing and even if it's some dude on the tv who they will never meet, they can't deal with it and they blame all gay guys. Like there is some kind of brainwaves thing or something, getting into their heads, just because gay guys must emit those because otherwise why else would Cody Jr have that thought? So Cody Jr decides that he's just gonna beat the s**t out of them because he's in general mad. He probably doesn't even think it all out to begin with. Just has a passing feeling which he doesn't want to have, labels it bad (probably because of the whole lake of five vs Fire Island threat his Sunday School teacher gives him, and the way his Daddy talks) and that makes him have a knee jerk reaction of hatred for gay guys and since keeping their temper in check and using their words aren't things that most rednecks value as life skills or are even taught, Cody Jr's gonna go kick some ass tonight! Watch out! WOOOOOO! And that's how I think it gets started then the guys get together and are afraid if they don't beat up as many gay guys as their friends do then they worry their friends might think they are gay and taking it easy on them out of sympathy so it gets to be a "thing". Instead of drinking beer in the Dairy Queen parking lot on weekend nights they go looking for gay guys to beat up. It's wrong. It's stupid. It's got absolutely no basis in anything except douchebaggery. It happens, I know this. But I also think that by the time guys are old, they don't do that. Well, the drunks might, the bad drunks like the Everclear drinkers or the Turkey 101 drinkers, but for the most part I'd imagine that any violence directed towards somebody gay would be because the guy touched him on the shoulder to get his attention or something and the old guy thought he was coming on to him. As for beating up black guys, I'd say that he's not gonna go out and get revenge on one black guy for what another black guy did, he's mainly just going to hate and if he gets a chance to shoot somebody on his property and be in the clear, he will do it. But I don't think they go around trying to start things and pick fights for the most part.

I'm not downplaying this at all. I'm just talking about it in very matter of fact terms. I really don't think the old ones are dangerous. I think it's just the young ones.

True,youth,hormones,drugs and whiskey can sometimes be a bad combination,and if they want to show off how tough they are,it can get stupid.It doesn't just happen down here,remember when that kid Matthew Shepperd was murdered in Wyoming just because he was gay?But I think Sam Bowers was just as mean when he died as when he was young and murdering people of color.Some people can change as they age,I know two older men that used to be rabid about pot,they thought it would drive you crazy,hated it with a passion.They both have a different take on it now.One's son got cancer and since he was in a medical state, used it for nausea.When he saw how much it relieved his son's misery he did a complete turn around,wants it legal.
Another worked for years with a man that was a pot head, and he noticed that it never drove his friend crazy,so now he doesn't care if people smoke weed.

To be honest, I think the nonviolent loudmouths who aren't by nature just total a**holes to everybody just because they can be but like to slip it into the conversation or turn the conversation that way etc, can actually learn a lot from normal people who just happen to hold the opposite opinion from them. Take Fr Trosch for example. I'm sure when I told him I'm pro choice and a feminist and I'm not against gay people that he was imagining I was one of the fringe people, on the very outside fringe of any of those opinions who go so far over the top it's not funny in their opinions. Like the truly male gender strongly distrusting, zero polulation growth, believing that only a matriarchy that is atheist or goddess worshipping can fair to women types. You know what I mean. The way over the top people. He was surprised when I wasn't. He was surprised to find that I was at the time, a devout Catholic (my views on abortion were moot, DH had had a vasectomy which our priest said was the common sense thing to do after my prolapsed uterus when I had three babies in four years) a housewife and mother of four who sent the one who was in school to Catholic school and who sometimes went to daily mass. He was surprised that I was polite and after we discussed the issues we disagreed about to death I said "We will never agree on this, so there's no point discussing it. I'd like to hear your views on the Latin Mass though" and was surprised that I agreed with him in wanting to see it come back, because that's a conservative Catholic opinion and I was more of a liberal Catholic in most views. He was surprised that when we hung up I told him I enjoyed talking to him and also that I accepted when he offered to send me some information on other Church issues that we had talked about and things I had asked him about. He wasn't any more surprised than I was when we became good friends and talked on the phone at least once a week, he built my first computer and sent it to me, I sent him some handmade Christmas presents and a brand new at the time, cordless phone with caller ID in the handset so he wouldn't have to get up every time the phone rang, because he got a lot of prank calls and his number was listed. Even more surprising was our invitation to spend Easter with us and that we all really enjoyed it. He did honestly chill some. His views about women changed for the better, and he even grudgingly said that he guesses all pro choicers aren't hellbound. My views about the folks who get on tv and spout off about crazy s**t changed somewhat. I found out that behind the crazy ideas, there can be a nice, otherwise sane person. And I found a friend who would, even though he disagreed with both me and DH on lots of things, things that were HUGE DEALS to him, he would still do anything he could for us, just as we would for him. He even drove up to see my mother once when she was so depressed she wouldn't leave the house and was talking suicide and all that, and I wasn't sure if this was just one of her manipluations or real so he came. His health was bad then too. He came, even knowing my mother is pro choice lol.

Mr Gary who I talked about learned that Pagans don't have horns, we don't worship the devil at all, we actually do have a deity we worship and that deity's name isn't "JustNotJesus", we don't hate Christians or Christianity, and we are just as nice, caring, polite, and "Christian acting" as his Christian friends. He learned we don't want to convert him, we don't want to tell him why he's wrong, we don't want any of that, and that some of us support the idea of the ministry he's got which is recording the bible on CD and giving it out. (He's got a great voice). He learned that Democrats don't want to come take his guns, some of us are for gun rights too. He learned that all gay right supporters aren't secretly in the closet and aren't plotting the overthrow of society. He learned that not everybody down here hates Muslims or is afraid of them, and he's actually met the guys at the Arab store now. I had to entice him down there not long ago because he was sure there were Muslims in town and they were plotting something. I got him to go in and he talked to Sal and Sal calmed him down. Explained that he's not even devout, just in name, the same way my atheist kids are Catholic. He may not embrace ecumenicalism and for real freedom of religion, but he's not as afraid as he was. You can't be too afraid of somebody when they bring you a lasagna and you eat it all and ask for another one next time she makes one.

So, while we probably can't chill out the violent young folks, we can chill out the old loudmouths, and if they calm down on their BS then the younger folks can calm down too and focus on the real problems in society or maybe just spend more time figuring out what the football coach is gonna do when his contract is up, same difference to them. After all, who got the young folks all up in arms about it in the first place? A bunch of old loudmouths.

"Normal" in this case is anyone who's not wringing their hands over whatever the duck dynasty dude said. Really, one man's opinion shouldn't wrap so many people around the axle like what it has done on this forum. Correct me if I'm wrong (not hat I'd care) but I believe he was asked his opinion on sin and gave it honestly.
Word of Raptor advice: If you think you might not like the answer, DON'T ask the question.


Uh huh. And the more outrage and butthurt you show them they more they will relish acting “unacceptable” around you and your kind. Even if they are not like that in reality they’ll do it around you just to make you knot up your drawers.
Trust me.

It was the magazine that asked the question. What aggravates me is the way they try to manipulate people into watching their show with it. His opinion means nothing to me personally. I am just disgusted that millions of people will watch his show just because of it. Who cares?

I mean, why watch a show you had absolutely no interest in before just because one of the main stars does some gay bashing and expresses racism? Many people are doing just that. I know one guy who didn't give a hoot about this show before this now he is obsessed with it and Commander Duck merchandise. It's ridiculous that people are that superficial. This show isn't even about gays or racism. To watch a show just because of something one of the people who stars in it says in a magazine has got to be one of the stupidest reasons.

I even mentioned to him watching Duck Dynasty that one time a while back and he completely and utterly ignored what I said like he was insulted I talk about a show full of obnoxious, red neck animal harassers. He had absolutely no interest in it whatsoever and he pretends to be this nature lover who tries to turn all these wild animals into personal pets now, suddenly, he supports this show about hunting all his little forest friends. Go figure. I have never seen such utter ignorance in my life. It's amazing how little it takes for some people to completely sell out their so-called core values.

Frankly, this is why "reality TV" should be criminal to produce.

Go out and experience the real world....don't waste your time living someone else's (dramatically enhanced) life.

Remember, Honey Boo Boo? I didn't know what that was until someone mentioned it on talk radio. I looked up a clip on YouTube and couldn't understand how such a white trash porker like that was such a sensation.

Are people's lives really that empty that they get fulfillment out of watching junk like that?

My parents criticize all the video game playing I do. Well, at least that's me doing something marginally creative (creating a character and playing it out). Sitting in front of the "idiot box" and scarfing down the latest "made for mass consumption" human garbage just makes no sense to me.

I've no interest in Duck Dynasty or any other reality TV show. I ride a motorcycle, I couldn't care less for Orange County Choppers or any of the other "bike building" reality TV shows. The one time I caught it, I couldn't believe anyone would want to watch such overacted drivel (if those guys are really that screwed up in real life, how did they ever build a business). Other guys who ride had the same attitude. Yeah, the bikes they made might be interesting to see, but watching the phoney drama was nauseating.

Then normal would be to have blinders on.No thanks.I don't do much hand wringing,that sounds kind of weak.I prefer to froth at the mouth.
So nobody should have stood up to them in the civil rights era?They got pretty pissed,and some folks died,but change did occur.No reason to let them slide now.
On a lighter note,can anyone imagine anything worse than a Duck Dynasty/Honey Boo Boo Christmas special,complete with caroling.

9 pages and I still don't know what he said.

There are links posted and sonofghandi posted some of his quotes.

Just makes something up. Everybody else does, whether or not they think they agree with him.

google.

As much as your kind misses it, the civil rights era is over. Time put down the protest signs and get real purposes in life.


I'm not in to reality TV. I did watch Duck Dynasty a few days ago just to see what was so upsetting to the left, though. I came to the conclusion that the fact that the DD people are all white, southern, conservative, gun owners, hunters, and church goers that has the left so upset. I could not bear the thought of watching Honey Boo Boo (makes me sick so even say that) for even as long as a minute.