Overall, the left is more hateful than the right

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This is the fallacy of relative privation, the saying where, as long as it's worse somewhere else your situation is not bad.

In many areas of the country, the situation is still bad for gay people, lesbians, trans people, the poor, the disabled, and many others. Also, there is strong evidence that implicit racism against black people exists.

Dismissing that because it might be worse elsewhere misses the point! It's just like saying, "How can you talk about blowjobs when there are starving children in Darfur?" In reality, the person saying that probably doesn't care at all about the children in Darfur and has done little to nothing for them, but it's a convenient way for them to try to shut down the conversation and engage in victim-shaming of members of opressed groups in this country.

(Meanwhile, people that actually are fighting for the starving children in Darfur are probably not even involved in this conversation and are not interested!)

In this country, as well, at least when it comes to the LGB (but not necessarily the T!), increasingly both the centre and the left have been viewing the right in that regard.

Yeah, right. And the left screeches HATE! every time they encounter something that goes against there twisted views. By now it's kinda like the boy that cried wolf.


The center is only leftists too timid to call themselves that.

For another look to see just how problematic the fallacy of relative privation is, let us look at another example:

[woman walks in to police station and goes up to desk officer.]

Woman: Help! I've just been raped!

Officer: Well, you may have, but at least you weren't murdered.

Woman: I want to make a report.

Officer: Nah. It'd just be a waste of time. You should be grateful that you weren't also murdered. Many women who were raped were also murdered. I want to make sure we just focus resources on women who were both raped and murdered, as women like you just didn't have it as bad.

It's that kind of thing.

Oh my. I have never heard anyone say anything like that.

Right here, in response to information that there are still oppressed and persecuted groups in this country (which I have named above), the same fallacy is used:

That's where self protection comes into play. Don't expect the cops to be there for you because they will not be.

Alright for the first two little things you said I'll be respectful and humour you. The last one is confusing me as political correctness is a belief system, and religion is just much a belief system as the former. Don't patronize my beliefs, hypocrite, and maybe I won't patronize yours. Religion cannot be proven to exist by science, but science can be proven to exist by religion, hmm now there is a thought for both of us. When God says science (earth/creation is really all science is) exists to the faces of the first Human he supposedly created, before science ever existed, I doubt I am the one denying anything. The big bang happened, yes, but God heard it first when he was figuring it out how loud it should be...

Now then, I believe Transgender people should get just as much if not more quality of healthcare.
Why would I be belitting anything when I was saying political correctness is balderdash. I don't call accepting LGTB folks for who they are being politically correct, I'm not a groupie of the status quoe.
They go through a lot, but not enough to justify you calling me being hateful. I'd marry a transgender if she could give birth. She is still female. Hell tomboys are my favorite. Now I want to see it. Really, ever consider I might like a girl that likes guy stuff? I'm offended myself.
For all the girls who think they need to stop being manly, come to me, I want to hug you! But only if you still want to, no forcing stuff. Luv womens mma. sorry off track. I do this when this is brought up cause of add and other stuff. (not reffering to the kind a female doppleganger of myself would like, but please find her, we can do a double date at comicon!)

I also believe climate change is really happening. But the thing is, I actually don't really care at all. Unless it is directly killing specific species off on purpose to piss God off, I couldn't care less if Earth will be planet greenhouse, ever. Life is good, worry about poverty first, then God's creation.

Well call me a big dummy, someone actually thinks I wouldn't clock the cop in the face. You are still assuming I would view stuff like that cop did. Just like ME MYSELF AND I said, stop assuming we all hate everyone. song*OOPS, I did it again*song

Last edited by appletheclown on 09 Jan 2014, 5:17 pm, edited 1 time in total.

appletheclown,

Hypocrisy is claiming virtues you do not actually possess. I believe I have been pretty open about my beliefs and goals on this thread, and have not claimed any virtues I do not possess, so I am not a hypocrite.

If anything, I'd say that those who use the fallacy of relative privation are likely to be the hypocrites. They claim such concern for these more important things, when most of the time they do little to help with those more important things. Whereas those who actually care about such issues are not even likely to be involved in the discussion where the fallacy takes place. Those who use the fallacy claim such concern, a virtue which most likely they do not possess, which makes most who use that fallacy likely to be hypocrites.

Now you are lying out of your eyeballs!

Love (opposite of hatred so can be used to describe hatred as well), honesty, respect, and sincerity are all virtues last time I checked. You respect nothing of what I say when I say I don't hate. I am done, this is childish any way. So I hate transgender people when am completely untraditional, traditional for wanting properness around ladies, and hateful because I'm ignorant, yet not hateful for the very reason being ignorant makes me hateful because I think being homosexual is a sin.

Stealing is just as much a sin as being homosexual to Jesus himself, why would I care if you are homosexual?!?!?

What virtues have I claimed to possess that you do not believe I actually possess? If you cannot say any, then you have not shown hypocrisy on my part.

As for the rest of your post, I am not sure of its point, other than an attempt at defense of some sort. Defense against what, however?

After being vehemently attacked by both liberals and conservatives on this thread, I think I am bowing out.

Who on the left attacked you? It got heated, but not once did I engage in a conversation about you as a person.

You claimed I was bellitling LGTB, right. Well you know what, I WAS TRYING TO BELITTLE YOU AFTER YOU OFFENDED MY BELIEF SYSTEM.
After that you started to get offended about some belief system called, umm what was it, oh yeah political correctness, when I was belittling you. I honestly believe political correctness would be great for not people like you. (kind of like how pedophillic priests make religion look bad, note worse than you, and I'm not saying you EQUATE to a pedophile, so please don't jump to that conclusion).

And also, it was a defense against you thinking I was belittling what transgender people go through. (I think I already said that though)