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13 Feb 2014, 5:35 pm

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If men were oppressed on a grand scale it would be no different than how women are oppressed. Due to patriarchy and rape culture women continue to be oppressed raped and treated as second class citizens while at the same time encourages the vilification and fear of men.
true. Reversing the roles wouldn't reduce the number of victims, only change who the victims are; nothing substantial would actually change. To quote (iirc) Germaine Greer, ' The opposite of patriarchy is not matriarchy, but fraternity.'



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13 Feb 2014, 5:36 pm

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If men were oppressed on a grand scale it would be no different than how women are oppressed. Due to patriarchy and rape culture women continue to be oppressed raped and treated as second class citizens while at the same time encourages the vilification and fear of men.
true. Reversing the roles wouldn't reduce the number of victims, only change who the victims are; nothing substantial would actually change. To quote (iirc) Germaine Greer, ' The opposite of patriarchy is not matriarchy, but fraternity.'


The only fraternity that patriarchs and MRA's seem interested in is one where men still hold most of the cards.


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13 Feb 2014, 7:36 pm

More revolutionist bs.

Fix what you have before you muck it up.


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13 Feb 2014, 8:05 pm

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More revolutionist bs.

Fix what you have before you muck it up.


there comes a point when you have to accept what you have is unrepairable.


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13 Feb 2014, 8:16 pm

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If men were oppressed on a grand scale it would be no different than how women are oppressed. Due to patriarchy and rape culture women continue to be oppressed raped and treated as second class citizens while at the same time encourages the vilification and fear of men.

There's an antidote to this fear and vilification, Otaku. Men just become feminists then there's nothing to fear or vilify. Sounds like a good idea?



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13 Feb 2014, 8:25 pm

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If men were oppressed on a grand scale it would be no different than how women are oppressed. Due to patriarchy and rape culture women continue to be oppressed raped and treated as second class citizens while at the same time encourages the vilification and fear of men.

There's an antidote to this fear and vilification, Otaku. Men just become feminists then there's nothing to fear or vilify. Sounds like a good idea?

Good, woman loving men shouldn't have to adhere to a label just because some person says so.

How bout you just like it when men treat you the way you want them to, and I treat you like that as well.

I'll never be a feminist, that doesn't mean I don't love women either.


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13 Feb 2014, 9:29 pm

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If men were oppressed on a grand scale it would be no different than how women are oppressed. Due to patriarchy and rape culture women continue to be oppressed raped and treated as second class citizens while at the same time encourages the vilification and fear of men.

There's an antidote to this fear and vilification, Otaku. Men just become feminists then there's nothing to fear or vilify. Sounds like a good idea?
I dont know where I stand on this, I dont encourage rape or oppression towards women nor do I encourage men being raped or mistreated. I dont like being vilified simply because I am a man nor do I wish to live in the world with the fear of possibly being abused and manipulated by a woman and leading to PTSD. I dont hate women sometimes I fear them, with the possibuility of mental manipulation and abuse although most women are not like that from my experience I was in one but also I see men more often willing to take advantage of women against their will and it pisses me off! I wish women can walk the streets safely without being objectified or raped by some sickos out there! I might sound like an idiot for saying this but I truly wish there is a society where rape doesnt exist nor hatred or prejudice and nobody has ill intentions in their heart!I wish for everyone to just live as people and not have to worry about situations like that but sadly thats a pipe dream. And Im an idiot for wishing for such things, I have compassion in my heart and great empathy but sadly the majority lacks it, there is nothing I can do to change that and it infuriates me as well as breaks my heart. Feel free to laugh at me now and call me a loser!


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13 Feb 2014, 9:42 pm

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If men were oppressed on a grand scale it would be no different than how women are oppressed. Due to patriarchy and rape culture women continue to be oppressed raped and treated as second class citizens while at the same time encourages the vilification and fear of men.

There's an antidote to this fear and vilification, Otaku. Men just become feminists then there's nothing to fear or vilify. Sounds like a good idea?
I dont know where I stand on this, I dont encourage rape or oppression towards women nor do I encourage men being raped or mistreated. I dont like being vilified simply because I am a man nor do I wish to live in the world with the fear of possibly being abused and manipulated by a woman and leading to PTSD. I dont hate women sometimes I fear them, with the possibuility of mental manipulation and abuse although most women are not like that from my experience I was in one but also I see men more often willing to take advantage of women against their will and it pisses me off! I wish women can walk the streets safely without being objectified or raped by some sickos out there! I might sound like an idiot for saying this but I truly wish there is a society where rape doesnt exist nor hatred or prejudice and nobody has ill intentions in their heart!I wish for everyone to just live as people and not have to worry about situations like that but sadly thats a pipe dream. And Im an idiot for wishing for such things, I have compassion in my heart and great empathy but sadly the majority lacks it, there is nothing I can do to change that and it infuriates me as well as breaks my heart.

Exactly what I want to write but cannot find the words! I feel the same way. I am an idealist in that respect, rather than pessimist.



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13 Feb 2014, 9:48 pm

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ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
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If men were oppressed on a grand scale it would be no different than how women are oppressed. Due to patriarchy and rape culture women continue to be oppressed raped and treated as second class citizens while at the same time encourages the vilification and fear of men.

There's an antidote to this fear and vilification, Otaku. Men just become feminists then there's nothing to fear or vilify. Sounds like a good idea?
I dont know where I stand on this, I dont encourage rape or oppression towards women nor do I encourage men being raped or mistreated. I dont like being vilified simply because I am a man nor do I wish to live in the world with the fear of possibly being abused and manipulated by a woman and leading to PTSD. I dont hate women sometimes I fear them, with the possibuility of mental manipulation and abuse although most women are not like that from my experience I was in one but also I see men more often willing to take advantage of women against their will and it pisses me off! I wish women can walk the streets safely without being objectified or raped by some sickos out there! I might sound like an idiot for saying this but I truly wish there is a society where rape doesnt exist nor hatred or prejudice and nobody has ill intentions in their heart!I wish for everyone to just live as people and not have to worry about situations like that but sadly thats a pipe dream. And Im an idiot for wishing for such things, I have compassion in my heart and great empathy but sadly the majority lacks it, there is nothing I can do to change that and it infuriates me as well as breaks my heart.

Exactly what I want to write but cannot find the words! I feel the same way. I am an idealist in that respect, rather than pessimist.
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14 Feb 2014, 8:26 am

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What else, do you think i go around with a bowler hat and an umbrella while i sip a cup of tea?


Sounds like fun. Might go good with brass round frame glasses, and a brown chaulk stripe suit set.
Add on black leather gloves, and an Aston Martin, I'd look stylin'!
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15 Feb 2014, 3:20 pm

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Aside from rape men make up the vast majority of victims of violent crime. They also make up the majority of prison inmates. And the homeless. They work more dangerous jobs and are exponentially more likely to die on those jobs. And they commit suicide four times more often than women.

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Virtually all of these issues you bring up are symptomatic of patriarchy.

Its patriarchy that insists that men maintain a facade of being tough, of acting in a aggressive tribal manner and not being sensitive or open about their mental health and emotional problems.

You can't blame women or the gains of feminism for any of these things.

The reason fewer women commit suicide, end up homeless or end up in prison is because women are more likely than men to seek help from others when they are in crisis. Women are less likely to become violent or turn to criminality. The very fact that men remain silent and bottle up their problems out of pride is what confounds the problem for men who do seek help, because there isnt the resource or advocacy infrastructure for men when they do look for aid.

So in conclusion yes, men DO collectively bring their own problems upon themselves.


FALSE! In reality it is women who raise the children and thus socialize children. If the children grow up to be abusive adults we don't have to look much farther than the parents of said adults. The philosopher Stefan Molyneux has some excellent videos on the subject. I suggest you watch them.



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16 Feb 2014, 5:19 am

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Aside from rape men make up the vast majority of victims of violent crime. They also make up the majority of prison inmates. And the homeless. They work more dangerous jobs and are exponentially more likely to die on those jobs. And they commit suicide four times more often than women.

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Virtually all of these issues you bring up are symptomatic of patriarchy.

Its patriarchy that insists that men maintain a facade of being tough, of acting in a aggressive tribal manner and not being sensitive or open about their mental health and emotional problems.

You can't blame women or the gains of feminism for any of these things.

The reason fewer women commit suicide, end up homeless or end up in prison is because women are more likely than men to seek help from others when they are in crisis. Women are less likely to become violent or turn to criminality. The very fact that men remain silent and bottle up their problems out of pride is what confounds the problem for men who do seek help, because there isnt the resource or advocacy infrastructure for men when they do look for aid.

So in conclusion yes, men DO collectively bring their own problems upon themselves.


FALSE! In reality it is women who raise the children and thus socialize children. If the children grow up to be abusive adults we don't have to look much farther than the parents of said adults. The philosopher Stefan Molyneux has some excellent videos on the subject. I suggest you watch them.
Hes just a self hating male who is a mindless thrall to the tumblr femenists! The irony is he supports radical Islam so thats a shot in the foot right there!


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16 Feb 2014, 11:42 am

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The irony is he supports radical Islam so thats a shot in the foot right there!

You're a liar, and a spectacularly bad one. When did i say I support radical Islam?

I support legitimate nationalist struggles against larger oppressive powers, that is something completely different if you're referring to the Palestinians.

I would support Bashir Assad (a seculiarist) before I support the Syrian Islamist rebels.


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16 Feb 2014, 11:48 am

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FALSE! In reality it is women who raise the children and thus socialize children. If the children grow up to be abusive adults we don't have to look much farther than the parents of said adults. The philosopher Stefan Molyneux has some excellent videos on the subject. I suggest you watch them.


Its not FALSE. the bigger picture is the paradigm which forces most women to be stay at home mothers is male dominated because it enables men to be careerists while women are forced out of the career path to raise the kids. Children are brought up by women but its under a larger patriarchal backdrop.


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16 Feb 2014, 11:52 am

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The irony is he supports radical Islam so thats a shot in the foot right there!

You're a liar, and a spectacularly bad one. When did i say I support radical Islam?

I support legitimate nationalist struggles against larger oppressive powers, that is something completely different if you're referring to the Palestinians.

I would support Bashir Assad (a seculiarist) before I support the Syrian Islamist rebels.


Al-Assad isn't supported by the people, and comes from the same party as Saddam Hussein. Radical Islam grew as a radical centrist alternative to communism and Arab socialism, and even King Abdullah of Saudi Arabia is less of a d!ck to his people than Bashad Al-Assad or Saddam Hussein was. The USSR is at least partially responsible for the lack of women's rights in some Middle Eastern countries today.



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16 Feb 2014, 11:57 am

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The irony is he supports radical Islam so thats a shot in the foot right there!

You're a liar, and a spectacularly bad one. When did i say I support radical Islam?

I support legitimate nationalist struggles against larger oppressive powers, that is something completely different if you're referring to the Palestinians.

I would support Bashir Assad (a seculiarist) before I support the Syrian Islamist rebels.


Al-Assad isn't supported by the people, and comes from the same party as Saddam Hussein. Radical Islam grew as a radical centrist alternative to communism and Arab socialism, and even King Abdullah of Saudi Arabia is less of a d!ck to his people than Bashad Al-Assad or Saddam Hussein was. The USSR is at least partially responsible for the lack of women's rights in some Middle Eastern countries today.


Al-Assad isn't a particularly nice cookie but all that is going to come from his defeat is Al Quaeda obtaining an even bigger sphere of influence than they had before.

Its quite hypocritical of anyone to accuse me of being an Islamist sympathiser when I am not the one cheering for their further influence in the middle east.

As for how much support Assad has I suspect the hacks in the western media lie about the actual proportions just like they tried made out Gadaffi had no popular support either which was a craven lie. Its probably somewhat 50-50. Otherwise the rebels wouldnt need help from the west.


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