Teacher informs students of evolution lies in textbooks

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Does that mean we could also include pantheistic gods? or is only the Cristian god so they can corner the market on the children?

Yes, you said that. But Intelligent design isn't scientific. They have no scientific theory. When they find one you get back to us.

You have to provide positive evidence. You can't just quote mine an article written by real cancer researchers, claim they've made mistakes, and therefore your idea about cancer being an extraterrestrial invasion of our cells is true and should be taught in medical schools.

While I believe in a theistic evolution, I hardly count myself in the Intelligent Design camp. As far as I'm concerned, God can't be perceived through any scientific proof, but only through faith. ID fails because it attempts the impossible by trying to prove God's existence. Science, on the other hand, only demonstrates the provable, and the mechanics of how things work, not to prove the unprovable.

I agree with you about the futility of ID. Intelligent design is in no way qualitatively different to proposing that the Greek god Zeus is responsible for causing lightning strikes when he's in a bad mood - we'll call this "Intelligent Lightning". The mechanisms of thunder storms are well known based on known physics principles. The concept of "Intelligent Lightning" offers no mechanisms for how it works, nor any evidence for its existence, nor does it provide any testable predictions. So introducing a concept of "Intelligent Lightning" tells us nothing new. In short it is not science.

We'd think it crazy if someone wanted to push the theory of "Intelligent Lightning" into science classes as another explanation for thunderstorms and as evidence for the existence of Zeus; yet this is exactly what is happening regarding Intelligent Design.

If people want to believe in a god, fine, good for them, but please don't try to corrupt science classes by pushing religious propaganda and nonsense into the science curriculum.

I wonder if it's been scientifically proven that lightening never strikes in the same place twice?

Intelligent lightning

There might have been an incidence or two of 'intelligent' flooding in the UK recently. Based on some comments in the papers, I would conclude that some people think that we're more likely to be flooded as the number of homosexuals standing up for their human rights increases.

There's an experiment here somewhere

Actually it can and does strike the same place more than once:

Well that's my lesson for the day. Cheers

Nope, that isn't how this works.

A scientist says "I think humans have evolved gradually over time. Here are some observations I or other people have made that support this proposition. I think the evidence supports this position more strongly than other positions."

A creationist says "I think humans were made by God, in their current state. Evidence? Erm... erm... well there's this book... and some debunked points about irreducible complexity... YOU'RE BEING RELIGIOUS TOO!"

Not to my knowledge.


Not really, but neither are you completely wrong there. I have no religious affiliation or "party line" to spout, but I do know every human being has "faith" of one kind or another placed in one thing or another. For example:

That does not indicate any particular religious leaning, of course, but it does show faith at work even in the life of an atheist.


That is definitely *not* something I would say. I am only saying there is a bias when an atheistic (religious) stance is being held and proffered during the practice of science. Suppose, for example, that all of us here knew nothing of science and wanted to learn about the origin of life as we presently know it. We could prepare a list of questions, then we could ask whether anyone might have an hypothesis or two to consider and investigate. One of us who had been observing tadpoles at the edge of a pond might suggest we might have somehow emerged from the mud, and another who had been gazing at the stars might suggest an unknown intelligence or force of some kind might have something to do with our being here. True science would reject neither idea and would even seek to discover any possible connection between the two if either even seemed plausible.


No, I am not saying that. I am saying the so-called "scientists" who categorically reject "God" as part of their science are religionists, not scientists.


That kind of logic escapes me completely, so it certainly does not come from me! In any case, I have more respect for science than to try to use is to push any personal belief.

Nope, try this:

Scientist A says "I think humans have evolved gradually over time..."
Scientist B says "I think humans were created in their current state."

After that, the two of them work together to try to discover the truth of the matter even if both of them end up being wrong.

The result came in many years ago. Scientist A was correct and scientist B incorrect. What is happening is that a minority refuse to accept this clear cut conclusion due to it conflicting with their world view. Thankfully this vocal minority can no longer burn scientist A at the stake for heresy.

Not really, but I do understand what you are saying and I can respect the logic behind that belief even though it cannot actually be proved.

No you do not understand what I am saying. You are denying that which is know to be factual. I can only guess that your denial of the truth is because it disagrees with your world view.

Actually I don't give a flying middle finger what others wants, NO ONE is going to be given the right to teach that religious bovine poop to my kid, I would remove him from the schools first. and I don't care how much others try to say evolution is a religion, that bat guano too. I am a pure science guy, you want me to teach religion to my kid, PROVE GOD EXISTS and not with just philosophy and words! I don't want any faith crap.

If he wants to learn it he can learn what he likes once he becomes an adult.

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It can, and it has been.

It is abundantly clear that humans have evolved.

Please, present some evidence that supports your case that they have not.