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20 Feb 2015, 2:15 pm

As you can see the patriarchy is oppressing her at 0:03.


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21 Feb 2015, 10:11 am

It's quite clear that feminism, by this point, is a very broad label that encompasses a large spectrum of ideological thought, from comparatively tame Emma Watson-esque feminism to Dworkin-esque feminism (Yes, she made some pretty good points, yes she was also a nutjob, these are not mutually-exclusive). One must be very careful about slinging mud against feminists without clarifying exactly what kind of feminism you're talking about. One must also be very wary of trolls and false flags in today's online world of anonymity (as the OP's link clearly demonstrates). Poe's Law has a way of muddling things, unfortunately.

I think that if I had to levy one major criticism of feminism in more or less all of its forms, however, it would be their lack of political savvy, particularly in regards to public image. There's an increasingly growing trend toward the idea that "Feminism should sell itself!" and a whole catalogue of rhetoric surrounding this sentiment such as "Feminism shouldn't need to be palatable to men!" and "Stop tone policing me!". These ideas may, ideologically-speaking, be correct, but they don't exactly pan out in political reality. There is, however unfortunate it may be, a reason why PR firms are so prevalent in the modern world, and that reason is that public image is in fact a very powerful aspect to any ideology that can make or break it. In a perfect world, logos would be the only thing that mattered in debate. However, ethos and pathos are nonetheless still very relevant because we humans are not perfectly logical creatures, not even us autistics.

For an interesting scientific article on the topic, I can recommend this link. It's behind a paywall, but your local library or university likely has a subscription. The abstract is free, however, and gives you the gist of it.

Scientific Article wrote:
Despite recognizing the need for social change in areas such as social equality and environmental protection, individuals often avoid supporting such change. Researchers have previously attempted to understand this resistance to social change by examining individuals' perceptions of social issues and social change. We instead examined the possibility that individuals resist social change because they have negative stereotypes of activists, the agents of social change. Participants had negative stereotypes of activists (feminists and environmentalists), regardless of the domain of activism, viewing them as eccentric and militant. Furthermore, these stereotypes reduced participants' willingness to affiliate with ‘typical’ activists and, ultimately, to adopt the behaviours that these activists promoted. These results indicate that stereotypes and person perception processes more generally play a key role in creating resistance to social change.



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22 Feb 2015, 2:13 am

identity politics stifle an progress or communication they are so garbage gender politics and notions of equality or rights are just garbage. its so frustrating trying to learn or do anything productive with the culture around that or even say anything of value just a lot of petty emotional, ego BS, and people using law and violence to force their entitlements into reality. there is very little that is accomplished by the people who call themselves civil rights activists these days, and they ride on the glamorization of the civil rights movement's history which could be a false hood in and of itself. morality and the truth are hard topics. I wouldn't doubt there are several people who bend the truth for their own benefit its hard to tell who is another person out for truth like myself or if they are a sophist using their intelligence for themselves, their personal value. its hard to not look at how some people act, talk and create narratives for their own benefit. And, not view them as grossly dishonest and fallacious scum. Even after calling these people out when they are blatantly dishonest about reality people will flock to shill for them endlessly its so pointless.



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22 Feb 2015, 2:19 am

I have mixed feelings when it comes to feminism sometimes its hard to tell apart the good ones from the bad ones but when I find the bad ones I call them femnazitards and troll them because they cannot be reasoned with and are misandrists anyway, I used to try to reason with them but there is no logic or reasoning from their heads just rediculous nonsense that all men are rapists and every man should be killed or castrated bla bla bla.


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11 Jun 2015, 12:04 pm

MisterXenos wrote:
It's quite clear that feminism, by this point, is a very broad label that encompasses a large spectrum of ideological thought, from comparatively tame Emma Watson-esque feminism to Dworkin-esque feminism (Yes, she made some pretty good points, yes she was also a nutjob, these are not mutually-exclusive). One must be very careful about slinging mud against feminists without clarifying exactly what kind of feminism you're talking about. One must also be very wary of trolls and false flags in today's online world of anonymity (as the OP's link clearly demonstrates). Poe's Law has a way of muddling things, unfortunately.

I think that if I had to levy one major criticism of feminism in more or less all of its forms, however, it would be their lack of political savvy, particularly in regards to public image. There's an increasingly growing trend toward the idea that "Feminism should sell itself!" and a whole catalogue of rhetoric surrounding this sentiment such as "Feminism shouldn't need to be palatable to men!" and "Stop tone policing me!". These ideas may, ideologically-speaking, be correct, but they don't exactly pan out in political reality. There is, however unfortunate it may be, a reason why PR firms are so prevalent in the modern world, and that reason is that public image is in fact a very powerful aspect to any ideology that can make or break it. In a perfect world, logos would be the only thing that mattered in debate. However, ethos and pathos are nonetheless still very relevant because we humans are not perfectly logical creatures, not even us autistics.

For an interesting scientific article on the topic, I can recommend this link. It's behind a paywall, but your local library or university likely has a subscription. The abstract is free, however, and gives you the gist of it.

Scientific Article wrote:
Despite recognizing the need for social change in areas such as social equality and environmental protection, individuals often avoid supporting such change. Researchers have previously attempted to understand this resistance to social change by examining individuals' perceptions of social issues and social change. We instead examined the possibility that individuals resist social change because they have negative stereotypes of activists, the agents of social change. Participants had negative stereotypes of activists (feminists and environmentalists), regardless of the domain of activism, viewing them as eccentric and militant. Furthermore, these stereotypes reduced participants' willingness to affiliate with ‘typical’ activists and, ultimately, to adopt the behaviours that these activists promoted. These results indicate that stereotypes and person perception processes more generally play a key role in creating resistance to social change.


Sadly Watson-esque feminism is just Solanas reworded.

She still wants us dead.



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11 Jun 2015, 12:06 pm

I am afraid that Feminism In Power wants to rape me, exploit me, enslave me, and summarily kill me for the crime of being born straight, white, autistic and male.



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11 Jun 2015, 4:11 pm

alcockell wrote:
I am afraid that Feminism In Power wants to rape me, exploit me, enslave me, and summarily kill me for the crime of being born straight, white, autistic and male.


Well you are not in touch with reality then.

Seriously if supremacists solicit this response then the two sides are as bad as each other. If people want to be idiots, that is their problem.

This is not the world that most people live in.



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11 Jun 2015, 6:20 pm

0_equals_true wrote:
alcockell wrote:
I am afraid that Feminism In Power wants to rape me, exploit me, enslave me, and summarily kill me for the crime of being born straight, white, autistic and male.


Well you are not in touch with reality then.

Seriously if supremacists solicit this response then the two sides are as bad as each other. If people want to be idiots, that is their problem.

This is not the world that most people live in.


How else am I supposed to interpret a Cabinet Minister calling for male genocide (Sarah Noble MP "killallmen"), and someone like her becoming Home Secretary - and me meeting my end at the end of an SA80?



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15 Jun 2015, 7:35 pm

This

"I had a good idea who the donator was, but money wasn’t really an issue, and I knew that I would be a good mother-like figure for the child by myself. I have always believed in the right for all women to have a choice in terminating their pregnancy, but when I confirmed the diagnosis about a month into into it, I decided that I WAS ready to have this child."

is truly sick. "Donator"?! Oh, I guess she means FATHER. "Diagnosis"?! The last time I checked, pregnancy wasn't an illness, so what the hell is this idiot talking about? What a selfish, rotten person.



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15 Jun 2015, 7:47 pm

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It does feel to me, as others have mentioned above, that geeky males are being disproportionately targeted for criticism while real abuses ranging from the ghastly, like Female Genital Mutilation, to the simply unacceptable, like cat-calling in the street, receive far less attention. (Then again, I do frequent geeky websites and events so am I getting a skewed vision of events? Please enlighten me). This to me feels like bullying the weak. I've had my fair share of that and it just makes me want to disengage.


Speak for yourself, if you don't mind. 'Geek' does not equal 'weak', even though it does rhyme. By all means, let these nutjobs who hate all men simply because they are pathetic lowlifes, remain under the illusion that geeks are easy prey, but if they think they can persecute a group of people for no other reason than this perception of theirs, then they will be in for a nasty surprise.