The Way Society Headed
Returning to Ike's tax Code, top bracket 95%, and he paid off WWII.
Setting up National Political Funds, donations only to parties, with full accounting.
When the people making the money have to pay for the wars and social costs, and Congress is forbidden to take personal bribes, the Ship of State will come to an even keel.
cathylynn wrote:
unrestrained capitalism and greed are what's wrong with the US today. your focus on marxism is keeping you in the dark and your masters love you for it.
Using taxpayer money to bailout failed banks and failed automobile manufacturers is not capitalism. It's not socialism either, it's just f****d up.
drh1138 wrote:
Whathappened wrote:
You're not aware of this because it's been censored from books, lectures, any reading materials whatsoever or media. If you don't believe me; why don't you take some time to investigate this matter for yourself - it will be much better than me telling you like I am.
How can we investigate it if the Evul Jooish Bankstahs have censored it all? In fact, if their reach is so powerful as you literally just said, how did you find all of this out, and why aren't you and everyone else distributing information on the "conspiracy" being carted off to be ground up into matzo?
Internet - you'd better hurry up though, before net neutrality starts kicking in - and limiting what we're able to see and read
Whathappened wrote:
drh1138 wrote:
Whathappened wrote:
You're not aware of this because it's been censored from books, lectures, any reading materials whatsoever or media. If you don't believe me; why don't you take some time to investigate this matter for yourself - it will be much better than me telling you like I am.
How can we investigate it if the Evul Jooish Bankstahs have censored it all? In fact, if their reach is so powerful as you literally just said, how did you find all of this out, and why aren't you and everyone else distributing information on the "conspiracy" being carted off to be ground up into matzo?
Internet - you'd better hurry up though, before net neutrality starts kicking in - and limiting what we're able to see and read
And we all know that EVERYTHING that ever came off of the internet is true.
The_Walrus wrote:
Rollo wrote:
The_Walrus wrote:
2) There actually were some Soviet spies in the US in the 50s - surely nobody is surprised? There were US spies in Russia too. I think people mock McCarthy for the hundreds he persecuted for no good reason (such as Arthur Miller himself), not for the few he got right. (Side note: that BBC documentary was made by a Jewish journalist, raised by far-left parents, who supported the Iraq war. Kinda undermines the "Jews and Commies are running the show" thing if they go exposing each other, right?)
2. I never said Commies were running the show at all. I merely provided evidence that Communist subversion in the US in the 40s and 50s was far greater than is generally acknowledged. I did this in defence of what I believe to be one of the OP's general points (that many facts about US 20th and 21st century history and politics are quite different from what most people have been led to believe) against those posters who either won't look at the facts or dismiss them as irrelevant. I believe my own view is simpler than that of the OP though. My own view is that in trying to understand the American political landscape it helps to think not so much in terms of 'Communists', 'cultural Marxists', 'Zionists' or 'neoconservatives' etc but just in terms of Jews using these '-isms' as tools for as long or as short as they deem them useful.
3. I know who Aaronovitch is, and his background does not undermine my argument at all. I specifically chose that link for the benefit of those who won't pay attention to anything unless it's published by a "respectable" media outlet. It's safe enough now all these decades later to admit that McCarthy had been right when the identities (and backgrounds) of the majority of the people he was right about will not be brought to the public's attention. Plus, it helps Aaronovitch to pose as an admirer of America. Otherwise people might think that this supposed leftist's support for the Iraq war was related to Israel or something.
OK, let's forget Communists. Jews run America. Britain too?
Jewish power and influence is not as extensive in Britain as it is in America (there are even some newspapers in Britain that criticize Israel) but it's not too far off. And (given our globalized world) it's not just through the influence of British Jews of course - for example since America greatly influences Britain then Jewish influence in America influences Britain too.
The_Walrus wrote:
Does that include the Aaronovitch family?
It's not about individuals or families, it's about the whole group. You know how some people talk about 'white privilege' and say that even the poorest white people still have it and still somehow perpetuate it every time they do something utterly innocuous? Well, this sort of logic makes more sense when applied to Jewish privilege. Aaronovitch might not be especially rich, and might not seem like much on his own, but he actually has a soapboax to lecture masses of readers about 'anti-Semitism' and the 'benefits' of immigration and how we should all be ashamed for showing insufficient gratitude to 'minorities' - and it's largely down to Jewish privilege that there are so many people like him around with the means to tell the masses what to think.
The_Walrus wrote:
Rollo wrote:
The_Walrus wrote:
3) The USA supports Israel despite not receiving much in exchange - it receives a fair bit more than it would from Palestine, and the US has a record of supporting causes for no real benefit to itself (see: Libya, Afghanistan, Vietnam, Guatemala...)
Never mind Palestine - US support for Israel alienates the US from virtually the entire Muslim Middle East, which has more to offer the US than Israel does.
You only answered half my point...
US support for Israel does not alienate it from the entire Muslim Middle East. The US enjoys good relationships with countries such as Saudi Arabia and Turkey, even Egypt, Afghanistan... the only country it actively has a bad relationship with is Iran, and even that's defrosting. The US is just too valuable an ally (and trade partner) for the elite in those nations to neglect it.
Sorry, I did not mean to miss half your point. Yes, it's true, the US supports many causes for no real benefit to itself. As I said previously, facts taken in isolation can easily be dismissed as incidental, but when combined together they form a pattern for those who care to look. There are plenty of books explaining the power of the Israel lobby in the US.
Whathappened wrote:
It's not JUST a war on Christians. It is a war on culture, our economy, our happiness, our people (Americans and other people and countries). The Zionist/Jewish influence in our country, and across the world uses the same tactics over and over and over again, repeatedly. Because they have the concentrated money, they have power, and influence. They can even influence nations to do things that are bad for their country, because of money and tactics that most people could never imagine.
This is so incredibly offensive.
How about you spell out what Jewish people are doing to jeopardize anybody's culture,economy, happiness or people.
Be specific.
And be aware that some WP posters either are Jewish or were raised Jewish and know from personal experienece what horrific nonsense this is.
Rollo wrote:
Jewish power and influence is not as extensive in Britain as it is in America (there are even some newspapers in Britain that criticize Israel) but it's not too far off.
Eh, dunno. I mean, we're prepared to consider a Jewish man for Prime Minister, but I don't believe in Jews have made a serious bid for President lately. Even that Jewish man is forced to eat bacon sandwiches publicly to prove that he's normal.
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The_Walrus wrote:
Does that include the Aaronovitch family?
It's not about individuals or families, it's about the whole group. You know how some people talk about 'white privilege' and say that even the poorest white people still have it and still somehow perpetuate it every time they do something utterly innocuous? Well, this sort of logic makes more sense when applied to Jewish privilege. Aaronovitch might not be especially rich, and might not seem like much on his own, but he actually has a soapboax to lecture masses of readers about 'anti-Semitism' and the 'benefits' of immigration and how we should all be ashamed for showing insufficient gratitude to 'minorities' - and it's largely down to Jewish privilege that there are so many people like him around with the means to tell the masses what to think.
I think you're rather mischaracterising what "white privilege" is there, but I take your point. Logically, I mean. I don't think it's particularly grounded in fact, particularly as, unlike Jewish people, white Christians haven't been the victims of continent-wide genocide in the past century.
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Sorry, I did not mean to miss half your point. Yes, it's true, the US supports many causes for no real benefit to itself. As I said previously, facts taken in isolation can easily be dismissed as incidental, but when combined together they form a pattern for those who care to look. There are plenty of books explaining the power of the Israel lobby in the US.
The Israel lobby is not the same as the Jew lobby.
Janissy wrote:
Whathappened wrote:
It's not JUST a war on Christians. It is a war on culture, our economy, our happiness, our people (Americans and other people and countries). The Zionist/Jewish influence in our country, and across the world uses the same tactics over and over and over again, repeatedly. Because they have the concentrated money, they have power, and influence. They can even influence nations to do things that are bad for their country, because of money and tactics that most people could never imagine.
This is so incredibly offensive.
You mean it's offensive to you. So what?
Janissy wrote:
How about you spell out what Jewish people are doing to jeopardize anybody's culture,economy, happiness or people.
Be specific.
Be specific.
I doubt you really want to discuss examples. You probably just want someone to try providing some so you can impress everyone with your moral outrage.
Ethnic and racial conflict is as old as history itself, but people like you make out as if the Jews are the only people who have never been the aggressors, only ever the victims.
Rollo wrote:
Janissy wrote:
How about you spell out what Jewish people are doing to jeopardize anybody's culture,economy, happiness or people.
Be specific.
Be specific.
I doubt you really want to discuss examples. You probably just want someone to try providing some so you can impress everyone with your moral outrage.
So, you're being offered the opportunity to show that you're not a racist and anti-Semite, but you're turning it down?
The_Walrus wrote:
Rollo wrote:
Janissy wrote:
How about you spell out what Jewish people are doing to jeopardize anybody's culture,economy, happiness or people.
Be specific.
Be specific.
I doubt you really want to discuss examples. You probably just want someone to try providing some so you can impress everyone with your moral outrage.
So, you're being offered the opportunity to show that you're not a racist and anti-Semite, but you're turning it down?
No. He's refusing to respond to yet another attempt to bait into an argument that doesn't rely on logic or reason, but is tautological and elliptical, emotional & politically correct in nature.
This is the nature of political correctness. It disallows people full use of their capabilities for reason, for an irrational fear of "racism" which isn't object racism.......but only the phantom fear of being labeled a "racist." It is an attack, and an elliptically wielded weapon used as such to shut people down, and shut down objective, fair conversation.
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Whathappened wrote:
The_Walrus wrote:
Rollo wrote:
Janissy wrote:
How about you spell out what Jewish people are doing to jeopardize anybody's culture,economy, happiness or people.
Be specific.
Be specific.
I doubt you really want to discuss examples. You probably just want someone to try providing some so you can impress everyone with your moral outrage.
So, you're being offered the opportunity to show that you're not a racist and anti-Semite, but you're turning it down?
No. He's refusing to respond to yet another attempt to bait into an argument that doesn't rely on logic or reason, but is tautological and elliptical, emotional & politically correct in nature.
This is the nature of political correctness. It disallows people full use of their capabilities for reason, for an irrational fear of "racism" which isn't object racism.......but only the phantom fear of being labeled a "racist." It is an attack, and an elliptically wielded weapon used as such to shut people down, and shut down objective, fair conversation.
And everything you're trying to convince everyone here of does rely on logic and reason?....those damn elitist capitalist banker jewish commies, and their vast conspiracy to make everybody eat Kosher Dill pickles and sing peaceful chants or else, while taking all the wealth for themselves and leaving us all to stave, aside from the kosher dill pickles lolz...I mean come on this stuff you're saying isn't holding up too well either.
Also if you're so great at using your capabilities for reason you wouldn't be blaming all the worlds problems on basically 'the jews' like the Nazis did, and trying to argue they have some vast consipiricy...there is a wealthy elite, they are screwing a lot of people over but a lot of the stuff you've presented is way over the top. I don't know if you're racist or misinformed....thus far I'd believe either but can't put my finger on which one.
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Rollo wrote:
ASPartOfMe wrote:
The USA is not Marxist. If anything it's fascist where big government and big cooperation's are indistinguishable with a surveillance state. Who wrote Obamacare? the insurance industry.
Sweetleaf wrote:
Whathappened wrote:
It amazes me in this day and age that people still believe what they are told on television or the media, as gospel truth. Do you think governments don't lie or are corrupt? ....They are. ..
Haha.
Haha.
Well duh, but doesn't mean its the commies or marxists are taking over....if anything things are moving in a more fascist direction.
It's bizarre how often this claim about America becoming fascist appears online, and how little opposition it receives on threads like this. All that people usually have to substantiate this claim is some vague stuff about the government and business working together. I mean, if that is really the hallmark of fascism doesn't it make the people who make this claim wonder what is supposed to be so scary about fascism in the first place?
More like doing all that while screwing a significant portion of the population over.....its not so much that they work together but rather the twisted way in which they do it. People are allowed financial freedom and pseudo-personal freedom at the price of having complete loyalty to the system, meaning willing to sell out their fellow citizens and watch carefully for any defiance. And I am actually somewhat amazed my claim of that hasn't gotten more opposition, usually there is more so it is a bit strange no ones jumping down my throat about it.
Oh and typically in fascist systems they prefer to eliminate portions of the population who are struggling or who are experiencing problems in society rather than address the issues those segments of the population deal with. I see disturbing trends here and there which seem to be pointing towards support of that kind of treatment of the struggling segments of society.
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