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Kraichgauer
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20 Aug 2015, 12:13 pm
Raptor wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Humanaut wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Were it up to me, if a community's well being depended on a major corporate employer, then that employer should not be allowed to leave by force of law.
Spoken like a true totalitarian.
No, I just happen to know that the elites of capitalism leave whole communities devastated when they pull up stakes - and not just their former workers now left jobless, but every small business that had depended on those workers as customers are also wiped out. What about them? Am I a terrible person because I consider the welfare of whole towns, cities, and regions to be more important than the profit margin of some soulless corporate entity? Seriously, you people on the right hold property rights above human rights, especially if that property is owned by the wealthy.
Nope.
That attitude is the essence of totalitarianism.
It's not à la carte; you either embrace freedom or you don't. The freedom that allows same sex marriage is the same freedom that allows private companies to move wherever and whenever the situation warrants it or just for s**ts and grins. And yes, I know you're reading this. You can't help it.
(Sigh) If you reread my previous post, you will see I wrote "If it were up to me," making it clear that that's just my opinion, but that it probably will never happen (as who in their right mind is going to follow my advice?
). But just because a company has the freedom to pack up and leave, devastating the community that had been so dependent on them is legally right, but that hardly means that it's morally right. As already pointed out, a great many American companies don't even pay taxes, and make more money than any other of their counterparts worldwide, it's obvious that their desertion of the American labor force for the third world is entirely a matter of greed. If the right has such a hard on for cleaning up immorality (what consenting adults do in the privacy of their bedrooms, women wearing thong bikinis in public, abortion, etc) why aren't they doing something about corporate greed? Oh, yeah, because they think selfishness is a virtue - silly me for even bring up that point!
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21 Aug 2015, 2:27 am
Kraichgauer wrote:
Raptor wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Humanaut wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Were it up to me, if a community's well being depended on a major corporate employer, then that employer should not be allowed to leave by force of law.
Spoken like a true totalitarian.
No, I just happen to know that the elites of capitalism leave whole communities devastated when they pull up stakes - and not just their former workers now left jobless, but every small business that had depended on those workers as customers are also wiped out. What about them? Am I a terrible person because I consider the welfare of whole towns, cities, and regions to be more important than the profit margin of some soulless corporate entity? Seriously, you people on the right hold property rights above human rights, especially if that property is owned by the wealthy.
Nope.
That attitude is the essence of totalitarianism.
It's not à la carte; you either embrace freedom or you don't. The freedom that allows same sex marriage is the same freedom that allows private companies to move wherever and whenever the situation warrants it or just for s**ts and grins. And yes, I know you're reading this. You can't help it.
(Sigh) If you reread my previous post, you will see I wrote "If it were up to me," making it clear that that's just my opinion, but that it probably will never happen (as who in their right mind is going to follow my advice?
). But just because a company has the freedom to pack up and leave, devastating the community that had been so dependent on them is legally right, but that hardly means that it's morally right. As already pointed out, a great many American companies don't even pay taxes, and make more money than any other of their counterparts worldwide, it's obvious that their desertion of the American labor force for the third world is entirely a matter of greed. If the right has such a hard on for cleaning up immorality (what consenting adults do in the privacy of their bedrooms, women wearing thong bikinis in public, abortion, etc) why aren't they doing something about corporate greed? Oh, yeah, because they think selfishness is a virtue - silly me for even bring up that point!
Just your opinion, eh?
So it's okay if it's just voicing an opinion is what you're saying.
So some hard hearted and evil conservaive could opine that those on the dole should be rounded up and sorted out with those fit to work sent to work in a munitions factory and those that aren't to b e routed for "special handling"?
Of course I, sweet Raptor, would never dream of such a hideous thing but someone else might and that would be okay if we're just talking about having an opinion.
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21 Aug 2015, 3:25 am
Raptor wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Raptor wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Humanaut wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Were it up to me, if a community's well being depended on a major corporate employer, then that employer should not be allowed to leave by force of law.
Spoken like a true totalitarian.
No, I just happen to know that the elites of capitalism leave whole communities devastated when they pull up stakes - and not just their former workers now left jobless, but every small business that had depended on those workers as customers are also wiped out. What about them? Am I a terrible person because I consider the welfare of whole towns, cities, and regions to be more important than the profit margin of some soulless corporate entity? Seriously, you people on the right hold property rights above human rights, especially if that property is owned by the wealthy.
Nope.
That attitude is the essence of totalitarianism.
It's not à la carte; you either embrace freedom or you don't. The freedom that allows same sex marriage is the same freedom that allows private companies to move wherever and whenever the situation warrants it or just for s**ts and grins. And yes, I know you're reading this. You can't help it.
(Sigh) If you reread my previous post, you will see I wrote "If it were up to me," making it clear that that's just my opinion, but that it probably will never happen (as who in their right mind is going to follow my advice?
). But just because a company has the freedom to pack up and leave, devastating the community that had been so dependent on them is legally right, but that hardly means that it's morally right. As already pointed out, a great many American companies don't even pay taxes, and make more money than any other of their counterparts worldwide, it's obvious that their desertion of the American labor force for the third world is entirely a matter of greed. If the right has such a hard on for cleaning up immorality (what consenting adults do in the privacy of their bedrooms, women wearing thong bikinis in public, abortion, etc) why aren't they doing something about corporate greed? Oh, yeah, because they think selfishness is a virtue - silly me for even bring up that point!
Just your opinion, eh?
So it's okay if it's just voicing an opinion is what you're saying.
So some hard hearted and evil conservaive could opine that those on the dole should be rounded up and sorted out with those fit to work sent to work in a munitions factory and those that aren't to b e routed for "special handling"?
Of course I, sweet Raptor, would never dream of such a hideous thing but someone else might and that would be okay if we're just talking about having an opinion.
I never said you couldn't criticize me; my point was, no one is seriously going to take me up on it.
As for your example of people on "the dole" being rounded up for either job or military service, or otherwise just be "put to sleep" - again,it's a matter of property rights being put ahead of human rights. I thought privately owned corporations shouldn't be able to destroy countless lives by deserting American workers and whole communities. With your example, it's still a matter of countless people being dehumanized.
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21 Aug 2015, 11:32 am
Kraichgauer wrote:
Raptor wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Humanaut wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Were it up to me, if a community's well being depended on a major corporate employer, then that employer should not be allowed to leave by force of law.
Spoken like a true totalitarian.
No, I just happen to know that the elites of capitalism leave whole communities devastated when they pull up stakes - and not just their former workers now left jobless, but every small business that had depended on those workers as customers are also wiped out. What about them? Am I a terrible person because I consider the welfare of whole towns, cities, and regions to be more important than the profit margin of some soulless corporate entity? Seriously, you people on the right hold property rights above human rights, especially if that property is owned by the wealthy.
Nope.
That attitude is the essence of totalitarianism.
It's not à la carte; you either embrace freedom or you don't. The freedom that allows same sex marriage is the same freedom that allows private companies to move wherever and whenever the situation warrants it or just for s**ts and grins. And yes, I know you're reading this. You can't help it.
(Sigh) If you reread my previous post, you will see I wrote "If it were up to me," making it clear that that's just my opinion, but that it probably will never happen (as who in their right mind is going to follow my advice?
). But just because a company has the freedom to pack up and leave, devastating the community that had been so dependent on them is legally right, but that hardly means that it's morally right. As already pointed out, a great many American companies don't even pay taxes, and make more money than any other of their counterparts worldwide, it's obvious that their desertion of the American labor force for the third world is entirely a matter of greed. If the right has such a hard on for cleaning up immorality (what consenting adults do in the privacy of their bedrooms, women wearing thong bikinis in public, abortion, etc) why aren't they doing something about corporate greed? Oh, yeah, because they think selfishness is a virtue - silly me for even bring up that point!
The way they make it sound you almost feel sorry for these billionare corporations...you know the poor little things, despretely having to flee to china and abandon ship because all the ingrates depending on them for an actual wage in the U.S aren't satisfied with the left over scraps and would prefer a living wage...I mean clearly if they don't move to china they'll go entirely broke...I mean these corporate people up at the top of financial food chain are such a persecuted class. I mean I almost want to shed tears at the injustice of these corporations having to pay taxes in the country they live in....clearly they should have no civic responsibilities, its just not fair. lo
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21 Aug 2015, 12:49 pm
Sweetleaf wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Raptor wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Humanaut wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Were it up to me, if a community's well being depended on a major corporate employer, then that employer should not be allowed to leave by force of law.
Spoken like a true totalitarian.
No, I just happen to know that the elites of capitalism leave whole communities devastated when they pull up stakes - and not just their former workers now left jobless, but every small business that had depended on those workers as customers are also wiped out. What about them? Am I a terrible person because I consider the welfare of whole towns, cities, and regions to be more important than the profit margin of some soulless corporate entity? Seriously, you people on the right hold property rights above human rights, especially if that property is owned by the wealthy.
Nope.
That attitude is the essence of totalitarianism.
It's not à la carte; you either embrace freedom or you don't. The freedom that allows same sex marriage is the same freedom that allows private companies to move wherever and whenever the situation warrants it or just for s**ts and grins. And yes, I know you're reading this. You can't help it.
(Sigh) If you reread my previous post, you will see I wrote "If it were up to me," making it clear that that's just my opinion, but that it probably will never happen (as who in their right mind is going to follow my advice?
). But just because a company has the freedom to pack up and leave, devastating the community that had been so dependent on them is legally right, but that hardly means that it's morally right. As already pointed out, a great many American companies don't even pay taxes, and make more money than any other of their counterparts worldwide, it's obvious that their desertion of the American labor force for the third world is entirely a matter of greed. If the right has such a hard on for cleaning up immorality (what consenting adults do in the privacy of their bedrooms, women wearing thong bikinis in public, abortion, etc) why aren't they doing something about corporate greed? Oh, yeah, because they think selfishness is a virtue - silly me for even bring up that point!
The way they make it sound you almost feel sorry for these billionare corporations...you know the poor little things, despretely having to flee to china and abandon ship because all the ingrates depending on them for an actual wage in the U.S aren't satisfied with the left over scraps and would prefer a living wage...I mean clearly if they don't move to china they'll go entirely broke...I mean these corporate people up at the top of financial food chain are such a persecuted class. I mean I almost want to shed tears at the injustice of these corporations having to pay taxes in the country they live in....clearly they should have no civic responsibilities, its just not fair. lo
Poor babies! And to think, me a heartless liberal believing they should part with just a little more money so their employees can actually live comfortably.
21 Aug 2015, 2:15 pm
Kraichgauer wrote:
Sweetleaf wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Raptor wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Humanaut wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Were it up to me, if a community's well being depended on a major corporate employer, then that employer should not be allowed to leave by force of law.
Spoken like a true totalitarian.
No, I just happen to know that the elites of capitalism leave whole communities devastated when they pull up stakes - and not just their former workers now left jobless, but every small business that had depended on those workers as customers are also wiped out. What about them? Am I a terrible person because I consider the welfare of whole towns, cities, and regions to be more important than the profit margin of some soulless corporate entity? Seriously, you people on the right hold property rights above human rights, especially if that property is owned by the wealthy.
Nope.
That attitude is the essence of totalitarianism.
It's not à la carte; you either embrace freedom or you don't. The freedom that allows same sex marriage is the same freedom that allows private companies to move wherever and whenever the situation warrants it or just for s**ts and grins. And yes, I know you're reading this. You can't help it.
(Sigh) If you reread my previous post, you will see I wrote "If it were up to me," making it clear that that's just my opinion, but that it probably will never happen (as who in their right mind is going to follow my advice?
). But just because a company has the freedom to pack up and leave, devastating the community that had been so dependent on them is legally right, but that hardly means that it's morally right. As already pointed out, a great many American companies don't even pay taxes, and make more money than any other of their counterparts worldwide, it's obvious that their desertion of the American labor force for the third world is entirely a matter of greed. If the right has such a hard on for cleaning up immorality (what consenting adults do in the privacy of their bedrooms, women wearing thong bikinis in public, abortion, etc) why aren't they doing something about corporate greed? Oh, yeah, because they think selfishness is a virtue - silly me for even bring up that point!
The way they make it sound you almost feel sorry for these billionare corporations...you know the poor little things, despretely having to flee to china and abandon ship because all the ingrates depending on them for an actual wage in the U.S aren't satisfied with the left over scraps and would prefer a living wage...I mean clearly if they don't move to china they'll go entirely broke...I mean these corporate people up at the top of financial food chain are such a persecuted class. I mean I almost want to shed tears at the injustice of these corporations having to pay taxes in the country they live in....clearly they should have no civic responsibilities, its just not fair. lo
Poor babies! And to think, me a heartless liberal believing they should part with just a little more money so their employees can actually live comfortably.
Oh spare me, you two.
