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10 Nov 2015, 5:46 pm

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and the hand of a thief is only cut off if the thief stole something of great value, and was not stealing out of desperation... as for adultery... i dont see why you would defend a crime like adultery

Adultery is not a crime.

adultery is not a crime in the western world, but it should be considered one in Turkey, a Muslim country my parents come from.....



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10 Nov 2015, 6:02 pm

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yes... and in places like iran... hand amputation is rarely used anyway.


Does that make it all right, then?



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10 Nov 2015, 6:05 pm

if it deters crime..... yes.



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10 Nov 2015, 6:12 pm

So despotic rule is okay as long as the crime rate is lower?



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10 Nov 2015, 6:30 pm

you obviously don't know what despotism is.... the word you're looking for is "cruel and unusual punishment"...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Despotism



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10 Nov 2015, 6:52 pm

An extract from the wiki page on Despotism that you have linked to:

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The term now implies tyrannical rule. Despotism can mean tyranny (dominance through threat of punishment and violence), or absolutism; or dictatorship (a form of government in which the ruler is an absolute dictator, not restricted by a constitution, laws or opposition, etc.)



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10 Nov 2015, 6:56 pm

but who said punishing thieves is tyranny? it's tyranny if you punish people for criticizing the rulers, or something along those lines.... and you have to admit, the punishment is VERY effective....i personally think the penalty for armed robbery should be death, for rape, death, for kidnapping, death, for murder, death, or blood money, for adultery death or time in prison......



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10 Nov 2015, 6:57 pm

despotism does NOT mean cruel and unusual punishment, it means unchecked power



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10 Nov 2015, 7:23 pm

MonsterCrack wrote:
despotism does NOT mean cruel and unusual punishment, it means unchecked power


With no safeguard that is what happens after all, the have to hold on to power.



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10 Nov 2015, 8:50 pm

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despotism does NOT mean cruel and unusual punishment, it means unchecked power


Unchecked power in the hands of the few (including religious leaders) (especially including religious leaders) often leads to very cruel punishment.



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10 Nov 2015, 8:56 pm

ahhhh..... but did you know that the first 4 caliphs of the Muslims were democratically elected?



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11 Nov 2015, 10:43 am

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ahhhh..... but did you know that the first 4 caliphs of the Muslims were democratically elected?

In a theocracy, there is no such thing as democracy.



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11 Nov 2015, 10:45 am

Democratically elected--by the people at large--or by a few mullahs?



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11 Nov 2015, 4:24 pm

democratically elected by the people at large.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_democracy



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11 Nov 2015, 4:36 pm

Unfortunately, the other caliphs weren't elected like that.

An interesting question: who was actually eligible to vote? It's true that the Western countries had property ownership requirements until the early 19th century.



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11 Nov 2015, 4:40 pm

MonsterCrack wrote:
democratically elected by the people at large.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_democracy

There is more to human rights than holding elections.

Pakistan has a lot of military coups, and political exiles. They do get change but it is hardly a typical democracy, also the tribal regions aren't consistent with Islamic democracy, they have undemocratic courts and shura .