Ted Nugent Jews and Gun Control

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I never said it did, what I said is that not every Aspie was bullied in high school, and maybe you shouldn't keep trying to use this as a de facto diagnostic criteria.



Bill, the problem here is that every other post you make in this and the News forums is bashing conservatives, and it's hard not to take that personally if you happen to be a conservative, or even just a non-liberal who gets sick of conservative bashing. It's not just you, it's far too many people on this forum, you're just among the most prolific and visible. Most of the conservatives we've had over the years have just stopped posting because they can't be themselves without a mob of people showing up to condemn them for their beliefs, which sounds an awful lot like bullying. In the case of Raptor and a few others, it's created posters who've essentially declared 'to Hell with you people, if you're going to treat us like villains we're going to act like them', so I see it as your (collective) responsibility to mend those fences, or live with reaping what you've sown.

FFS people, report or don't, don't keep threatening to do it, mods hate that and it makes you look like an impotent jackass.

As someone with some experience here, I'm actually in favor of reporting vs trying to 'handle things yourself', as all that gets you is banned, or constantly bickering with the enemies you make at the least. By all means argue your points with someone who's getting aggressive, but as soon as the insults turn personal, don't hit back but do hit the report button, it makes for a nicer forum when schoolyard name calling is not tolerated.

^I'm often called conservative and attacked simple because I'm pro gun.

Well, I think it shows great courage on the part of Jewish people to reject widespread gun ownership. When everyone is armed, everything is equal anyway. But as I've said before, guns are so common in the States, it's best to have one, I'm sure.

People are stupid that way, they do this thing called cultural bundling where they automatically assume certain beliefs go together, which is why you get liberals who don't really care about guns attacking them simply because conservatives like them. I used to have no end of fun with people who'd assume that my position on guns meant that I was some kind of backwoods redneck, leading them on until the opportunity to hammer them with an intellectual argument presented itself, or even better, waiting for them to try and paint me as a racist (something you get very used to as a non-liberal), then introducing one of my black girlfriends. That never got old.

Living in Seattle, you learn to do this secret handshake type maneuver where you gradually drop hints that you're not a typical liberal when you meet new people and gauge their reaction, the trick being to do so slowly enough that they don't jump to conclusions before getting to know you as a person. It's actually a lot like introducing someone to the fact that you're autistic, you don't want to lead with it and have them view your whole identity through the prism of autism, but you don't want to make a secret out of it either.

Just because we liberals believe strongly in our political ideals - and say so - hardly means we are vilifying you people on the right. We just really hate the Horatio Alger/pull-yourself-up-by-your-bootstraps bullsh*t, or the notion that a majority vote, or ownership of a place of business, trumps civil rights. And I'm not going to touch the gun issue, as I know it throws you into a psychotic tizzy, except to say that that has been a bone of contention between liberal and conservative members. But I dare say, I and the other liberals right now on this thread were not in the habit of demonizing any other member, until we were personally attacked. Now, I recall a time when you and I were on friendlier terms, and even exchanged pm's from time to time. As I said earlier to you, I'd be more than happy to mend fences with Raptor, and even you, but I refuse to accept that my side is totally at fault.
As for Aspies growing up bullied - I dare say it's more common than not.

You routinely go far beyond simply strongly stating your political beliefs, but you put me in a bit of a bind here, because if I post links to you, or even more so, your blabby friend, condemning conservative people, not ideas, you'll try and paint me as some sort of obsessive, keeping track of your posts, when it's simply the ability to use search tools and a good memory. Also again, you're not the only person who does this, far from it, which makes this whole forum a very hostile place for conservative members, and there is a word for people who gang up on others who happen to be in the minority and say nasty things to them.



"Psychotic tizzy"? I get annoyed that most people on your side of the issue, yourself included, know so little about the subject but feel so strongly about it, especially in the face of informed argument, but even you know that's inflammatory and untrue. This is exactly what I'm talking about, how do you expect people to treat you when you talk to them like that?



Nope, you just don't even realize you're even doing it most of the time, you've been smearing conservatives from the very beginning, and when I kept insisting that I wasn't even a conservative, you simple appended 'and libertarians' onto your insults. You might not be insulting people by name, you're just insulting the groups they belong to and then playing innocent when they get upset. Why do you think Raptor, myself, and many other non liberals on this board have gradually become more and more hostile to you? Do you think a bunch of random people just coincidentally all decided to go after you for no reason at all, or is it more likely that you've been acting in some way that pisses people off? Lest you think it's merely disagreement with your politics, have you noticed that I treat you differently than most other liberals on the board? Ever wondered why?



Entirely? No. Mostly? Yes, if only by dint of there being so many more of you here.



I'd actually agree that it's not uncommon, if only from the Pavlovian response to any bullying narrative seen on this board, though I'm not sure it's the norm. My major problem is that you question people's AS "credentials" if they weren't bullied, and to borrow a word from the SJ crowd, that's problematic at best.

If I do get hostile, I think it's fair to say it's been over matters of demonizing poor people as lazy leaches, or putting the rights of business over that of would be customers that they want nothing to do with, that organized labor are corrupt and bad for America, or the like. That's the sort of thing that puts me into a psychotic tizzy.
And no, being bullied isn't a litmus test for being an Aspie, but it's also true that if an individual had never had a problem with social awkwardness, but might have just been a bit standoffish - not to mention lacking the official diagnosis for autism - I think it's fair to cast some doubt on that person's credentials as an Aspie.
And SJ crowd? What dat?

It's very similar here
While Oregon has a lot of gun owners , most are in the closet. How does something common and a big part of the state become something to hide. Have to be careful who you let know. I don't tell people I own guns until they tell me they own guns. If the topic comes up I pretend to know nothing about guns. Itts like two via agents meeting in a bar trying to make sure their talking to the other agent.

Here's the thread:
viewtopic.php?f=20&t=278284&start=45



In the original thread you said mandatory but now you make it look like you'd made a suggestion and I ripped into you.
We've had several threads were mandatory safety training has been hashed out. I hardly thnk my reply then could be considered a ripping. At least be honest.

If I have a license to carry a gun, I wouldn't be reluctant to tell people I own guns. It probably wouldn't come up in conversation--unless we're talking about gun control!

I don't believe the action of owning guns, per se, makes a person a fanatical pro-gun activist.

In essence, I don't really give a rat's butt whether a person owns a gun or not. I've know people who own guns in the past. The issue never came up.

I don't own one because I don't feel the need to own one. Nothing to do with being fanatically ANTI-gun.

We've been over this before just a few months ago where you conceded that you did believe I'm an Aspie. That's the problem, someone takes the time to go over something with you, you concede, then the next time it's back to square one.

I won't bring it up unless the person I'm talking to shows interested with some depth to it. I just don't feel the need to.

You've already said twice in other threads that I'm a troll. What exactly do you expect out of a troll?

what did you expect to happen when you do nothing but take potshots, don't back up a damn thing you say and post stupid images? maybe i should have rolled out a red carpet for you?

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