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13 May 2016, 2:04 pm

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Was 1st grade teacher who first diagnosed me. Then doctors later

Whaaa?!? A first-grade teacher? Amazing!



I don't think he means professionally, I think he means his teacher said he had it and decided he did without a professional assessment. No one can diagnose someone without any proper training and who are not qualified to label someone.


They start the process and get you transferred to special classes. I think it's pretty standard which is why so many kids get falsely diagnosed of having adhd



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13 May 2016, 2:16 pm

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Was 1st grade teacher who first diagnosed me. Then doctors later

Whaaa?!? A first-grade teacher? Amazing!



I don't think he means professionally, I think he means his teacher said he had it and decided he did without a professional assessment. No one can diagnose someone without any proper training and who are not qualified to label someone.


They start the process and get you transferred to special classes. I think it's pretty standard which is why so many kids get falsely diagnosed of having adhd



My son is labeled as having an ASD by the school district and I was shocked at the testing results because I was expecting it to be negative and have it be something else they discover but no he was on the spectrum because he got a positive score of a 32 on the CARS-2 rating scale. 30 is the minimum score you can get. But my mother who read his evaluation report said it was all BS and went through it with me telling me why it's all wrong. None of it were lies or exaggerations, they were just saying behaviors he does was ASD and my mom was telling me why that was all wrong.

I think they looked for "proof" as Enrico described in his book because they wanted him to qualify for an IEP so he can get the help he needs and my cousin told my mother the state here gets more funding if they have kids on the autism spectrum. So that is why he is going to get professionally evaluated. They say it's not a diagnoses but they are sure acting like it is and it's obvious they think it's an ASD because of how they are acting about it and approaching me about it and one of them who is a autism specialist of the school district told me how they have someone from the district who can come and take our son for the day if he gets too overwhelming for us.


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13 May 2016, 2:49 pm

"and don't care one ass about the millions of innocent people that will be harmed by this"

It seems that this legislation (I haven't read it don't intend to I think guns are weapons civies shouldn't have) is not properly ethical due to reasons sly is citing.

That said, it's not going to -harm- millions of innocent people. It will most certainly, overall, end up with fewer suicides and fewer family members killed by guns. Furthermore, the blowback strictly in terms of numbers of disabled people who will now end up getting robbed or raper etc. in their home, is just going to be few and far between. Most disabled people don't live alone so their caretakers can have guns, guns themselves probably don't protect nearly as much as people think they do.

Even if you lose your gun sly, there's a very slim chance it's actually going to affect you in any negative way besides psychologically as it is now.


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13 May 2016, 3:19 pm

sly279 wrote:
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Was 1st grade teacher who first diagnosed me. Then doctors later

Whaaa?!? A first-grade teacher? Amazing!

I don't think he means professionally, I think he means his teacher said he had it and decided he did without a professional assessment. No one can diagnose someone without any proper training and who are not qualified to label someone.

They start the process and get you transferred to special classes. I think it's pretty standard which is why so many kids get falsely diagnosed of having adhd

Fascinating! Despite at least one meltdown in first grade, my teachers just thought I was "shy."


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13 May 2016, 4:33 pm

In 6th grade my school decided I had a behavior disorder. Why? Because the way they had their system set up for me wasn't working and even my therapist who had came to my school had told them it was them with the problem, not me. it was a school problem, not a League Girl problem.


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13 May 2016, 5:11 pm

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4 million right away and 75,000 a year forever after until they taken all 59million people guns rights.

Losing my rights and being treated the same as a felon is harming me

And I'll be dead when swat swarms my house and shoots me.

Freak why not take women's right to vote away it won't actually harm any of them physical so it's ok :roll:



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13 May 2016, 7:12 pm

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When asked whether they would support measures to restrict the mentally ill from gun ownership, 83 percent of gun owners were in favor and only 8 percent opposed. In fact, the percentage of gun owners in favor of such measures surpassed that of all Americans, 81 percent of which as a whole favor keeping guns out of the hands of the mentally ill.

http://www.guns.com/2015/08/12/gun-owne ... -own-guns/

Actually, perhaps I do support the proposed ban. It does separate those that are mentally incompetent from those who are just physically disabled. The investigation begins using your ability to manage finances as a starting point. This doesn't necessarily apply to all autistic people, just the most severely affected. And it doesn't say that just because you need help with finances, you can't have a gun. Typical of gun nuts, you guys have been misrepresenting the law.

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14 May 2016, 1:56 pm

Statistically the mentally ill are more likely to be the victim of a violent crime than the perpetrator.
I have a handgun that I purchased legally.Went thru the background check.I have also been in therapy for around ten years.I'm not violent or a threat to myself.I receive SSI for mental illness.
So I should have the right to own a firearm for protection.There was a home invasion at the nearest house to mine,they assaulted the home owner.Then a rabies outbreak.
I am responsible and told my therapist that I purchased a gun.He has no problem with clients owning guns.In his years of working with the mentally ill he has only once requested the police disarm someone.In his own words," This person didn't even need a butter knife."
https://www.nami.org/Learn-More/Mental- ... rting-Laws


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16 May 2016, 4:48 pm

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...So I should have the right to own a firearm for protection....

No you shouldn't.



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16 May 2016, 5:03 pm

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...So I should have the right to own a firearm for protection....

No you shouldn't.

"[AspE] has made his decision; now let him enforce it!"


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16 May 2016, 7:04 pm

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...So I should have the right to own a firearm for protection....

No you shouldn't.

My therapist thinks it's fine.He knows more about my mental health than you.
Please tell me how to deal with a rabid skunk without a gun.I'm not going to whack at it with a stick.Now that would be crazy.


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16 May 2016, 7:46 pm

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"[AspE] has made his decision; now let him enforce it!"


This is the part most gun grabbing types seem to gloss over; even "civilized" places like Australia have massive non-compliance with their gun control schemes.

I can just imagine how it would go in America: "oh, you're here to confiscate the guns? Right this way sir, don't mind the plastic sheeting and bags of lime, just doing a little housework. Now, all the guns are in the bottom of this 55 gallon oil drum, you'll see them if you just lean over it..."


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16 May 2016, 8:16 pm

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My therapist thinks it's fine.He knows more about my mental health than you.
Please tell me how to deal with a rabid skunk without a gun.I'm not going to whack at it with a stick.Now that would be crazy.

I'm talking about the law, there will always be exceptions that make sense, but I don't care about those. I and most gun owners believe that the mentally ill should not have access to guns. How often do you get attacked by a rabid skunk? Aren't there pest control people you can hire? Are you in a rural area?



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16 May 2016, 8:17 pm

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"[AspE] has made his decision; now let him enforce it!"


This is the part most gun grabbing types seem to gloss over; even "civilized" places like Australia have massive non-compliance with their gun control schemes.

I can just imagine how it would go in America: "oh, you're here to confiscate the guns? Right this way sir, don't mind the plastic sheeting and bags of lime, just doing a little housework. Now, all the guns are in the bottom of this 55 gallon oil drum, you'll see them if you just lean over it..."

Let's not have speed limits because people sometimes get away with speeding. Hell, let's not have any laws at all.



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16 May 2016, 9:27 pm

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Let's not have speed limits because people sometimes get away with speeding. Hell, let's not have any laws at all.


Actually, I'm not against all laws, as anyone who actually reads what I write could tell you, just the stupid ones, which explains why I disagree with you so often.


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16 May 2016, 10:14 pm

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My therapist thinks it's fine.He knows more about my mental health than you.
Please tell me how to deal with a rabid skunk without a gun.I'm not going to whack at it with a stick.Now that would be crazy.

I'm talking about the law, there will always be exceptions that make sense, but I don't care about those. I and most gun owners believe that the mentally ill should not have access to guns. How often do you get attacked by a rabid skunk? Aren't there pest control people you can hire? Are you in a rural area?

Yes, I'm in a very rural area.Ive seen black bears,coyotes and bobcats in the yard.Even a few big timber rattlers,but I like them.There are also a few mountain lions.A woman here did get bit by a rabid fox.There was even a bull with rabies,it's been a few years back,but we had a rabies epidemic one summer.If I remember right about thirteen skunks tested positive for rabies in the county above me.Not to mention tweakers breaking into homes looking for drugs and money.
There are no animal control people here,and it would take the police or game warden around thirty minutes minimum to get here.If they could find it,my drive is unmarked.By that time a rabid animal can have moved on and even if it's out of my yard it's a menace to neighbor's,their pets and other animals.There has been trouble on the past with feral animals attacking my livestock,I have chicken,geese and at one time a few dairy goats and a few head of cattle.If something comes in my yard and tries to eat my poultry,I'm going to shoot it.Anybody here would do the same.
The law says I can have my gun,I did the background check.I have never attempted suicide or assaulted anyone.
I don't beleive all gun owners feel the way you do,I don't, I own a gun.Actually,more than one.I also have a .22 rifle.
You are painting the mentally ill with a broad brush.Most are non violent.Plenty of people commit crimes with a gun,not becuse of mental illness.But becuse they are just evil.


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