Trump says Hispanic Americans have an 'inherent conflict'

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My point is, there is no more legally permitted slavery or genocide on American soil, and I like to think most Americans find the things you mentioned going on in the world today to be abhorrent.

NO. Nothing we call legal slavery....we don't like to CALL illegal Mexicans sweating in the fields "wage slaves" but it happens every day.

You see what I mean? We're not supposed to notice those things. It's cultural.

Hispanic-American students fear deportation despite being U.S. citizens:

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016 ... are_btn_tw

But as bad as treatment of illegals is, it's still not as bad as owning another human being for life, and being able to break up that person's family by selling them at will, denying their humanity, or even torturing and mutilating them for daring to escape to freedom.

Inconsistency:

-Trump thinks Judge Curiel is biased, because of Trump's wall.
-One example of bias, Trump says, "This case should of ended years ago on summary judgement".

However, Trump did not announce the wall "years ago".

America was created as a Republic, to safe-guard against democracy.

Democracy as you mean it, means the majority can take away the freedoms of the minority.

Europe does not sound free. Your taxes are horrendous, you have limited freedom of speech, gun-ownership seems restricted, your health care is gov. run, likely many parts of your society are gov. controlled which results in less options for you ....

Well, sure. But you see Great Britain figured that out long ago...THAT'S what colonialism is for!! ! You can view these atrocities from afar, and a bonus is the details become fuzzy and indistinct. Is that what might appeal more? How about (although news has been stifled) the way labor is run in gigantic Chinese factories where they need to hang nets outside the dormitory windows to prevent jumpers? We share in this with our IPhones and IPads, etc. Slavery by another name is still slavery. We just have others do the dirty work for us (and we can even call them names for doing so, just as long as we get our IPhone).

I'm sure you must have read something about the similar scandals in the clothing industry? Look around and you'll find lots more.

You are sort of right I give up some of what you think of as freedoms for the benefit of all. I guess you would call that socialism. Which I understand is very scary.

I taxes are higher than yours, but we pay them to enable us/the government to pay for things like schools, hospitals, health care, roads, refuse collection etc.

I have all the freedom of speech I want, I can say what I want but recognise that what I say has consequences, like if I want to insite hate towards minority's I can. As long as I am happy to go to prison. Freedom of speech I believe should not and does not mean I can cause offence and harm to others. So I don't feel I lose anything but am protected against extremists and bullies.

Gun ownership is very restricted particularly in the uk. That's only an argument in the US I've never met a somebody who is British or European who thinks people have unrestricted access or general access at all to guns is a good idea. (I am sure there are some). Take the number of people killed by guns in the uk over the last 10 years multiply that by six so it is more representative of the US population (I know it not good maths) and you still will not be even reach 1 percent of the number of people killed by guns in the US in 1 year. Keep your guns I'm a lot safer than you.

Lots of our infrastructure is government run, controlled or legislated that again is true, I'm not going bankrupt just because I'm ill, and whilst our politicians are as daft and self centred as any. Try and get elected or stay in power if you flat out ignor the public will. Try and stay out of jail if you take money for doing it. Ignoring the public cost Tony Blair and if you want to take money have a chat to some called Niel Hamilton he spent some time at her majesty's pleasure.

Europe isn't perfect, and that wasn't my point. I was just trying to understand why you would let the political elite treat you all the way they do.

We in America have much much more latatude in free speech then that, the standard for banning speech is does it present a "clear or present danger" or the metophor "yelling fire in a crowded theater"
Key Supreme cases U.S. vs Schneck.
The criticism of the decision has traditionally been that it is to restrictive.

You can offend all you want without getting arrested. In the 1970's Nazis were allowed to march in a Jewish neighborhood where one in six residences were Holocaust survivors.
When the Nazis came to Skokie


If you do offend you face the consequences of others using thier free speech rights to boycott you, public shame you etc. Also private institutions such as employers, schools are rapidily adding clauses whereby they can punish or throw you out for saying things they deem offensive which is starting to have the same effect as if it were actually illegal. This is causing a backlash that is fueling in a a very misquided way in my opinion the Trump phenomenon. If you want to understand the Trump phenomenon one needs to understand how free speech has been viewed here.

Earlier you mentioned curtailing gun-rights.

That speech is offensive to some gun owners.

Likely, every idea we can think of is offensive to someone.

Curtailing speech based on what others think is offensive, is really oppression of speech.

I said I don't understand, you want own a gun in America, crack on and have at it. If you are happy with your political system again great. I clearly experience a different culture and don't understand the perspective. You tell me your happy that's enough for me.

I hope people remember that not all Americans are loudmouth, arrogant people who only care about their own country. We are not all the stereotype of the "ugly American."

POPPYCOCK!
So what I'm a self hating Latina because I DESPISE to the core of my being; illegals? Oh but I guess my partial privilege as a mix means i can't know the suffering... and one can presume I never faced any discrimination on my color before I stayed indoors a lot. Okay fine.

What of my mom's X who we are still close with(they split because she couldn't have kids)? He was born in really poor family outside Mexico City region and because naturalized in the 90s. He hates Mexicans? and his Mexican wife because he loathes illegals as troublemaker, disrespectful criminals and scum.
But ..Illegal is the paraphrased word for Mexican.

I guess other illegal hispanics or otherwise are? given free pass? are welcome? Some of the younger generations in my family say horrid stuff about shooting this wh***y or that. On their facebook Trump is the next Hitler and these poor people..our brothers... deserve more FREE stuff. Um.. not MY brother. He died in Afghanistan! They are spoiled SoCal and 5th generation hanging with hoodlums that on about blather brown power (and chicano and azteca and other silly co op crap) when they have less hispanic than I have. And speak such trashy, illegible Spanish it should be a felony.

What is wrong about caring most for my country that gave me so much more than most could. Despite her being tarnished of late, she still was a beacon of freedom in comparison to many others. And she is a young country.
I cared enough to serve. I am American. Then Texan.. Then of Hispanic and native descent. In that order. I speak my 4th language of English. I owe allegiance to no other country for I am citizen here by luck of birth and grace of God. But had I been born elsewhere and still was me? I would do all in my power and scrape every penny to become one and assimilate here as opposed to most any other country.


PS illegals from other places.. like Poland that has to be in Visa lottery for percentage of overstays (which is all reasons for being late not just the ones that try to actually stay) get booted a lot. And they normally already have some English and are professionals. But their economic asylum doesn't have enough color.
They also are usually vetted since they need the Visa or passports for international travel. Irish deported ... look up Joe Cahill Joe Doherty may not find everyday deports.

Does anyone west coast remember this... fair entered australian family being deported from AZ because some mishap in records side in their process after living , paying taxes and contributing here for years? Im gonna edit when I find it. I signed petition to have them a stay of deporting

thank you for that breath of sanity.

"It's like slavery" is bordering on being the new Godwin in the US.

You don't use illegal as code for Latino, but plenty of racists do.
And yes, America is your country; it's just that racist douche bags don't see America as your country.
Just to let you know: I'm not a big fan of Texas.

Thank you.