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13 Dec 2016, 3:02 pm

"the real problem is NOT GOD HIMSELF, but the people "

Though I am a believer and don't agree with the opinions of the OP, this reaction seems to miss the point
Because for some reason you should acknowledge the OP for bringing up the question of the theodicy. Many of the posts in this thread relate some way or another to the question of the theodicy: why a good God would permit the manifestation of evil.
Whether as a form of severe punishment as in Genesis 3:16-17 or as evil as such.
This is a very very difficult question that goes to the core of Christianity, definitely not just a cultural or social issue as the last posts seem to suggest

To be honest, I don't like gnosticism. The Gnostic anwer is that in the Bible there is a lot wrong, at least in the OT (which they dismiss completely if I am correct). My opinion is that the Bible contains a precious truth, but the truth comes in parables, as Jesus said, difficult to interpret.
In the thread "Art, Writing, And Music", "WrongPlanet writing showcase" I try something about it, but perhaps that's a dead end, never got a reaction on it.



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13 Dec 2016, 4:06 pm

God is evil because he hypersexualizes the female form, but makes women play hard to get. And by the time you overcome their games and drama, you are no longer attracted to them.


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13 Dec 2016, 4:11 pm

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Well, I mean, sure many people from a long time ago used think that women and LGTB people are considered 'lesser' than straight men. However, from the type of Christianity I come from, there were women who worked as priests, and there were a gay couple who were just as religious as I was. And we treat them with respect because they are good people!


Social justice warriors and liberals are not doing a swell job of challenging that ancient worldview. In fact they are actually causing more people to believe it.


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13 Dec 2016, 6:18 pm

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But you do understand that the religious have been the majority forever and that they are homophobic and misogynous. Right?

Yes, I do, but what's your point in stating the obvious?


The point is that without equality within the theology, they are evil theologies and not worthy of us.

Gnostic Christianity does demand that we give full equality before the law to all people. That is why it is a superior theology.

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13 Dec 2016, 6:23 pm

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Can someone PLEASE delete this forum? Because this is created by anti-theists who are just making asses out of themselves believing everyone should hate God. Seriously, this is just ridiculous.


Ridiculous is worshiping a genocidal son murdering God while saying he is a good God.

Seems that you fear doing what scriptures tell you to do.

1 Thessalonians 5:21 Test all things; hold fast what is good.

You cannot test while saying to those who do to shut up.

If you think I am wrong, then give your argument instead of trying to silence the whole board.

Show how killing instead of curing, the way your God does, is somehow the moral thing to do.

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13 Dec 2016, 6:26 pm

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See, the real problem is NOT GOD HIMSELF, but the people who happen to take things the wrong way (not just in religion, but anything in general), and are deluding themselves because of it! And you guys who made this forum are not being any better!


Who is more delusional?

Those who believe in talking serpents and donkeys and think a genocidal God is somehow good, or those who do not believe in such things?

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13 Dec 2016, 6:36 pm

Grischa wrote:
"the real problem is NOT GOD HIMSELF, but the people "

Though I am a believer and don't agree with the opinions of the OP, this reaction seems to miss the point
Because for some reason you should acknowledge the OP for bringing up the question of the theodicy. Many of the posts in this thread relate some way or another to the question of the theodicy: why a good God would permit the manifestation of evil.
Whether as a form of severe punishment as in Genesis 3:16-17 or as evil as such.
This is a very very difficult question that goes to the core of Christianity, definitely not just a cultural or social issue as the last posts seem to suggest

To be honest, I don't like gnosticism. The Gnostic anwer is that in the Bible there is a lot wrong, at least in the OT (which they dismiss completely if I am correct). My opinion is that the Bible contains a precious truth, but the truth comes in parables, as Jesus said, difficult to interpret.
In the thread "Art, Writing, And Music", "WrongPlanet writing showcase" I try something about it, but perhaps that's a dead end, never got a reaction on it.


Gnostic Christianity goes by these quotes. They are never quoted by the church but tell us what you think they are telling you?

Matthew 6:22 The light of the body is the eye: if therefore thine eye be single, thy whole body shall be full of light.

John 14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.

Romans 8:29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.

These apply to the reading of those above.

Luke 11:52 Woe unto you, lawyers! for ye have taken away the key of knowledge: ye entered not in yourselves, and them that were entering in ye hindered.

Mark 7:13 Making the word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye.

Here is a link from my favorite philosopher that expands on the theme of us being brethren to Jesus and Gods in our own rite just as Jesus is thought to be.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=alRNbes ... r_embedded

You may not like Gnostic Christianity and free thinking, but as a Universalist religion that has tied righteousness to equality, it is demonstrably a better moral theology than Christianity and the other mainstream homophobic and misogynous religions.

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13 Dec 2016, 6:39 pm

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God is evil because he hypersexualizes the female form, but makes women play hard to get. And by the time you overcome their games and drama, you are no longer attracted to them.


Perhaps you are just hard for any woman to take.

Whiny little b***h men are not high on a woman's list when seeking a mate.

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13 Dec 2016, 6:41 pm

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UncannyDanny wrote:
Well, I mean, sure many people from a long time ago used think that women and LGTB people are considered 'lesser' than straight men. However, from the type of Christianity I come from, there were women who worked as priests, and there were a gay couple who were just as religious as I was. And we treat them with respect because they are good people!


Social justice warriors and liberals are not doing a swell job of challenging that ancient worldview. In fact they are actually causing more people to believe it.


Yet they passed laws that allow gay marriage so as to help rid us of the religious discrimination of them without a just cause.

How old are you child?

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13 Dec 2016, 7:00 pm

I think it's obvious suffering means next to nothing to God, which is not to say that God is evil, but the entire framework people are getting at is completely wrong, because from an eternal perspective, these things are insignificant. Mortal suffering means no more to God than the pain of finger prick means to a doctor, death means nothing more than sleep.


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13 Dec 2016, 7:29 pm

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I think it's obvious suffering means next to nothing to God, which is not to say that God is evil, but the entire framework people are getting at is completely wrong, because from an eternal perspective, these things are insignificant. Mortal suffering means no more to God than the pain of finger prick means to a doctor, death means nothing more than sleep.


Thanks for sharing your faith based delusion.

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13 Dec 2016, 8:17 pm

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...Christians talk out of both sides of their mouth when saying death is not so bad, yet they will kill abortion doctors for doing what they said is not bad...


You can't take what half a dozen fanatics have done in the name of Christ and say that is what Christians do. See the bell curve. Christians everywhere but on the extreme end of that curve--which you might call the fanatic psychopath end--would condemn the murder of an abortion doctor just as we would condemn terrorists bombing a church or a government building or a mosque.

As for proving that God wants to be murdered?

God was murdered. He came to earth in the form of the Man Jesus Christ and was murdered on a Roman cross after three mock trials with inaccurate trumped-up accusations, and it was what He wanted. It was His plan of redemption to be crucified for the sins of the world.


So you think that God would condemn the world he created, and then would turn around and die to rescind that judgement, instead of rescinding it without his suicide.

How can you believe such bull s**t?

Further. Please tell me what you think of the following.

As Ingersoll said; 'no man would be fit for heaven who would consent that an innocent person should suffer for his sin.'

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jKNup9g ... gest-vrecs

Having another innocent person suffer for the wrongs you have done, --- so that you might escape responsibility for having done them, --- is immoral.

Do you agree?

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No.

Because one person suffered for the sins of the world, all can be reconciled with God. Jesus was the only sinless Man, so only He could have done this. Otherwise all would have suffered not just one afternoon on a Roman Cross--as excruciating as that was--but eternity in the torments of the lake of fire. The balance is the suffering of One, compared to the suffering of all others. And it is only His innocence that made Him eligible to be the One Who could pay for the sins of all and conquer Death and Hell.

I do not expect you to understand or to agree. This is not a reason and logic thing. It is a spiritual thing, a faith thing. For the wisdom of God is foolishness to the wise and the Cross is a scandal to the learned and the Crucifixion is an offense to the dying. But to those who have been made alive in Christ it is life and light and hope and love.

Likely you have denied Christ so long your heart is calloused. Yet even you might turn (back) to Him one day.


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14 Dec 2016, 1:52 pm

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...Christians talk out of both sides of their mouth when saying death is not so bad, yet they will kill abortion doctors for doing what they said is not bad...


You can't take what half a dozen fanatics have done in the name of Christ and say that is what Christians do. See the bell curve. Christians everywhere but on the extreme end of that curve--which you might call the fanatic psychopath end--would condemn the murder of an abortion doctor just as we would condemn terrorists bombing a church or a government building or a mosque.

As for proving that God wants to be murdered?

God was murdered. He came to earth in the form of the Man Jesus Christ and was murdered on a Roman cross after three mock trials with inaccurate trumped-up accusations, and it was what He wanted. It was His plan of redemption to be crucified for the sins of the world.


So you think that God would condemn the world he created, and then would turn around and die to rescind that judgement, instead of rescinding it without his suicide.

How can you believe such bull s**t?

Further. Please tell me what you think of the following.

As Ingersoll said; 'no man would be fit for heaven who would consent that an innocent person should suffer for his sin.'

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jKNup9g ... gest-vrecs

Having another innocent person suffer for the wrongs you have done, --- so that you might escape responsibility for having done them, --- is immoral.

Do you agree?

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No.


Then you are not a moral person and would not step up to your own responsibility and put them onto an innocent victim. Shame on your satanic morals.

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Because one person suffered for the sins of the world, all can be reconciled with God. Jesus was the only sinless Man, so only He could have done this.


Sinless! Look again for the first time.

Hebrews 5:8
Though he were a Son, yet learned he obedience by the things which he suffered;

Even if Jesus was sinless, you might wonder why God gave us all sin natures, that we cannot deny, and then threaten to punish us for being exactly what he created us to be.

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Otherwise all would have suffered not just one afternoon on a Roman Cross--as excruciating as that was--but eternity in the torments of the lake of fire. The balance is the suffering of One, compared to the suffering of all others. And it is only His innocence that made Him eligible to be the One Who could pay for the sins of all and conquer Death and Hell.

I do not expect you to understand or to agree. This is not a reason and logic thing. It is a spiritual thing, a faith thing. For the wisdom of God is foolishness to the wise and the Cross is a scandal to the learned and the Crucifixion is an offense to the dying. But to those who have been made alive in Christ it is life and light and hope and love.


You are right that there is no logic, or reason, in your faith based belief.
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Likely you have denied Christ so long your heart is calloused. Yet even you might turn (back) to Him one day.[/quote]

Jesus is a part of the Trinity and Yahweh.

Why have you turned to a genocidal son murderer for your moral teachings?

Is genocide good to you?

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14 Dec 2016, 1:57 pm

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Having another innocent person suffer for the wrongs you have done, --- so that you might escape responsibility for having done them, --- is immoral.

Do you agree?


You replied----

No.

Are you saying that you would stand convicted for a crime and allow another to take you punishment?

Would you volunteer, as an innocent person, to go to jail in place of a guilty person?

I find it strange if you would as in any court of any land, judges prefer to punish the guilty instead of the innocent, and here you are saying the opposite is good justice.

Rather a satanic view that.

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14 Dec 2016, 5:14 pm

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I think it's obvious suffering means next to nothing to God, which is not to say that God is evil, but the entire framework people are getting at is completely wrong, because from an eternal perspective, these things are insignificant. Mortal suffering means no more to God than the pain of finger prick means to a doctor, death means nothing more than sleep.


What about eternal damnation.


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14 Dec 2016, 5:16 pm

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God is evil because he hypersexualizes the female form, but makes women play hard to get. And by the time you overcome their games and drama, you are no longer attracted to them.


Perhaps you are just hard for any woman to take.

Whiny little b***h men are not high on a woman's list when seeking a mate.

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And here you are, bitching and moaning about a fictional character.

You are so intelligent.


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