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23 Jan 2017, 7:38 pm

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By the way, why aren't you two targeting the women here who state that they aren't a feminist? Not that I really want you two to do that, I'm just pointing that out. I guess you two want to target me, because of my evil penis.
Have you tried actually reading up on what feminist philosophy is?

Look if the feminist movement is all about man hating then shouldn't a large number of women be attacking you shunning you on the streets. Why isn't that happening, roughly 20% of the population is feminist?

Watch my videos and then comment. Obviously you do not understand the purpose of quotes when I write "feminism", as in new age feminism; NOT the original feminist movement.



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23 Jan 2017, 7:41 pm

Datalis wrote:
Shahunshah wrote:
Datalis wrote:
By the way, why aren't you two targeting the women here who state that they aren't a feminist? Not that I really want you two to do that, I'm just pointing that out. I guess you two want to target me, because of my evil penis.
Have you tried actually reading up on what feminist philosophy is?

Look if the feminist movement is all about man hating then shouldn't a large number of women be attacking you shunning you on the streets. Why isn't that happening, roughly 20% of the population is feminist?

Watch my videos and then comment. Obviously you do not understand the purpose of quotes when I write "feminism", as in new age feminism; NOT the original feminist movement.
Then read about third wave feminism I have read a book on it myself it was interesting and I like some of the points. Here is a question to you show me evidence of a large minority of people trying to advocate for baby deaths not just pissed individuals on youtube.



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23 Jan 2017, 7:41 pm

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Datalis wrote:
By the way, why aren't you two targeting the women here who state that they aren't a feminist? Not that I really want you two to do that, I'm just pointing that out. I guess you two want to target me, because of my evil penis.
Have you tried actually reading up on what feminist philosophy is?

Look if the feminist movement is all about man hating then shouldn't a large number of women be attacking you shunning you on the streets. Why isn't that happening, roughly 20% of the population is feminist?




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23 Jan 2017, 7:43 pm

datalis/\ I don't need youtubers to tell me what's right or wrong.Use common sense.Youtube is full of kooks.Maybe you shouldn't be watching them if they upset you.I own my home free and clear,what does homeownership have to do with this?You think your penis is evil?Why on earth would you think that?Dont listen to anyone who says something like that.They have deep seated problems.


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23 Jan 2017, 7:43 pm

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MLK was gettin beaten and thrown in jail standing up for his civil rights; these protesters are demanding 'safe spaces', censorship, and recognition of tumblr's 300 genders.

It's pretty easy to not get banned if you one ACT YOUR AGE and TWO not speak to people in a way that would make your mother want to wash it out with soap. You are not a martyr.
You think its that. I pity your soul. Try tell that to the crowds of people protesting Trump because Mike Pence supports conversion therapy because millions of people that will lose their livelihoods. Its not for trivial things that they dislike Trump its real issues. And if a tide of social conservatism risks becoming prominent than their is something to fear.


When millions actually lose their livelihoods it's a real issue - you know, like the millions of ignored Americans in the Rust Belt who voted for Trump. But your concern is with hypothetical loss of livelihood?

As for conversion therapy, as long as it isn't being forced on anyone, I have no objection to it. If people wish to spend money on trying to reconcile their sexuality with their ideological views, that's their business. Until there is categorical evidence that homosexuality is 100% nature vs 0% nurture, I see no reason to deny it as an option to those who are inclined to undertake it.

Your social conservatism boogieman I leave to you.



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23 Jan 2017, 7:44 pm

Shahunshah wrote:
Datalis wrote:
Shahunshah wrote:
Datalis wrote:
By the way, why aren't you two targeting the women here who state that they aren't a feminist? Not that I really want you two to do that, I'm just pointing that out. I guess you two want to target me, because of my evil penis.
Have you tried actually reading up on what feminist philosophy is?

Look if the feminist movement is all about man hating then shouldn't a large number of women be attacking you shunning you on the streets. Why isn't that happening, roughly 20% of the population is feminist?

Watch my videos and then comment. Obviously you do not understand the purpose of quotes when I write "feminism", as in new age feminism; NOT the original feminist movement.
Then read about third wave feminism I have read a book on it myself it was interesting and I like some of the points. Here is a question to you show me evidence of a large minority of people trying to advocate for baby deaths not just pissed individuals on youtube.

I've shown you plenty of examples with multiple people. The point was showing how ridiculous the modern wave of feminism is. The baby killing is only one example. Stay in the dark if you want. I have taken the "red pill" and I actually see women as people and not automatically victims.



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23 Jan 2017, 7:46 pm

Datalis wrote:
Shahunshah wrote:
Datalis wrote:
By the way, why aren't you two targeting the women here who state that they aren't a feminist? Not that I really want you two to do that, I'm just pointing that out. I guess you two want to target me, because of my evil penis.
Have you tried actually reading up on what feminist philosophy is?

Look if the feminist movement is all about man hating then shouldn't a large number of women be attacking you shunning you on the streets. Why isn't that happening, roughly 20% of the population is feminist?


You have cases of isolated individuals who have problems you are bound to find them. But thing is that doesn't account for any like a majority or even much of a substantial minority. Roughly 70% of the girls in my class are feminists if this so called movement is about man hatting then why haven't they distanced themselves from all the guys.



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23 Jan 2017, 7:47 pm

Shahunshah wrote:
Jacoby wrote:
MLK was gettin beaten and thrown in jail standing up for his civil rights; these protesters are demanding 'safe spaces', censorship, and recognition of tumblr's 300 genders.

It's pretty easy to not get banned if you one ACT YOUR AGE and TWO not speak to people in a way that would make your mother want to wash it out with soap. You are not a martyr.
You think its that. I pity your soul. Try tell that to the crowds of people protesting Trump because Mike Pence supports conversion therapy because millions of people that will lose their livelihoods. Its not for trivial things that they dislike Trump its real issues. And if a tide of social conservatism risks becoming prominent than their is something to fear.


Pence doesn't support the use of forced conversion theory and when he wrote about it like 17 years ago it was not yet scientifically discredited. Find him saying anything about in the last 15 years about it and I'd be more inclined to be worried. Pence is also very clearly not the president, Trump is not an ideologue and I don't think he's going to do what these people claim to be afraid of.

There are legitimate things to protest, I'm not saying don't do it but I do think it should be based on the facts not media fearmongering. The problem is that privileged white feminists have their own priorities so Trump being caught on tape saying something naughty is somehow more important than any of the real pressing issues. The people that oppose Trump carry on and on about things that simply do not matter. Now sure, I support equal pay for equal work but I don't think the wage gap is that big of an issue anymore.



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23 Jan 2017, 7:48 pm

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datalis/\ I don't need youtubers to tell me what's right or wrong.Use common sense.Youtube is full of kooks.Maybe you shouldn't be watching them if they upset you.I own my home free and clear,what does homeownership have to do with this?You think your penis is evil?Why on earth would you think that?Dont listen to anyone who says something like that.They have deep seated problems.

I don't like when I'm personally attacked; furthermore you guys are still not understanding my point. Feminism is no longer feminism. That is why I call myself an egalitarian. 99% of women who call themselves feminist are not classical feminist, just like how Liberals today are not classical liberals.



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23 Jan 2017, 7:49 pm

Shahunshah wrote:
Datalis wrote:
By the way, why aren't you two targeting the women here who state that they aren't a feminist? Not that I really want you two to do that, I'm just pointing that out. I guess you two want to target me, because of my evil penis.
Have you tried actually reading up on what feminist philosophy is?

Look if the feminist movement is all about man hating then shouldn't a large number of women be attacking you shunning you on the streets. Why isn't that happening, roughly 20% of the population is feminist?


Assuming the hypothesis is true, how often would you expect hatred to manifest as violent crime? Does the inverse also follow? If there is no violent crime there is no hate? The assumption of hatred in the hearts of one's opponents (in some cases literally all men) is a fairly common narrative used by feminists. Should there not, therefore, be an epidemic of feminists being violently attacked, or shall we save ourselves a great deal of time and simply conclude that your proposition is flawed?



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23 Jan 2017, 7:51 pm

adifferentname wrote:
Shahunshah wrote:
Jacoby wrote:
MLK was gettin beaten and thrown in jail standing up for his civil rights; these protesters are demanding 'safe spaces', censorship, and recognition of tumblr's 300 genders.

It's pretty easy to not get banned if you one ACT YOUR AGE and TWO not speak to people in a way that would make your mother want to wash it out with soap. You are not a martyr.
You think its that. I pity your soul. Try tell that to the crowds of people protesting Trump because Mike Pence supports conversion therapy because millions of people that will lose their livelihoods. Its not for trivial things that they dislike Trump its real issues. And if a tide of social conservatism risks becoming prominent than their is something to fear.


When millions actually lose their livelihoods it's a real issue - you know, like the millions of ignored Americans in the Rust Belt who voted for Trump. But your concern is with hypothetical loss of livelihood?

As for conversion therapy, as long as it isn't being forced on anyone, I have no objection to it. If people wish to spend money on trying to reconcile their sexuality with their ideological views, that's their business. Until there is categorical evidence that homosexuality is 100% nature vs 0% nurture, I see no reason to deny it as an option to those who are inclined to undertake it.

Your social conservatism boogieman I leave to you.
I don't think Hillary was fair to all the Republicans in the Rust Belt and I think we should understand them and listen rather than alienate them. The millions of Americans I was referring to are the undocumented immigrants. The thing is that while we can support of unemployed Americans with social security those Mexican immigrants risk losing everything with deportation.

The deal with conversion therapy is that in many cases it is being forced on people in the majority of cases and ultimately it doesn't work. Why should we allow it to take place if all it does is anger and frustrate the individual over not being able to change who they are.



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23 Jan 2017, 7:53 pm

[quote="Jacoby"]MLK was gettin beaten and thrown in jail standing up for his civil rights; these protesters are demanding 'safe spaces', censorship, and recognition of tumblr's 300 genders.

It's pretty easy to not get banned if you one ACT YOUR AGE and TWO not speak to people in a way that would make your mother want to wash it out with soap. You are not a martyr.[/quote
What percentage of them were marching for those reasons?The four women I personally know that marched didn't do it for that.I have no idea about Tumblr,never been on it.
Nothing wrong with being a martyr for a just cause.


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23 Jan 2017, 7:55 pm

adifferentname wrote:
Shahunshah wrote:
Datalis wrote:
By the way, why aren't you two targeting the women here who state that they aren't a feminist? Not that I really want you two to do that, I'm just pointing that out. I guess you two want to target me, because of my evil penis.
Have you tried actually reading up on what feminist philosophy is?

Look if the feminist movement is all about man hating then shouldn't a large number of women be attacking you shunning you on the streets. Why isn't that happening, roughly 20% of the population is feminist?


Assuming the hypothesis is true, how often would you expect hatred to manifest as violent crime? Does the inverse also follow? If there is no violent crime there is no hate? The assumption of hatred in the hearts of one's opponents (in some cases literally all men) is a fairly common narrative used by feminists. Should there not, therefore, be an epidemic of feminists being violently attacked, or shall we save ourselves a great deal of time and simply conclude that your proposition is flawed?
I expect it to manifest in some kind of distrust women may have for men but instead I see the opposite. Most women I see even feminists have male partners they care for and most women I have talked to are at least cordial. Its also just common-sense that trying to advocate for murder is bad and if you go outside you will find it almost universally condemned.



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23 Jan 2017, 7:59 pm

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datalis/\ I don't need youtubers to tell me what's right or wrong.Use common sense.Youtube is full of kooks.Maybe you shouldn't be watching them if they upset you.I own my home free and clear,what does homeownership have to do with this?You think your penis is evil?Why on earth would you think that?Dont listen to anyone who says something like that.They have deep seated problems.

I don't like when I'm personally attacked; furthermore you guys are still not understanding my point. Feminism is no longer feminism. That is why I call myself an egalitarian. 99% of women who call themselves feminist are not classical feminist, just like how Liberals today are not classical liberals.

How did you come up with 99%?None of the feminists here hate men.Neither do any of the feminists I know.Please don't lump us in with the nuts.


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23 Jan 2017, 8:05 pm

Shahunshah wrote:
adifferentname wrote:
Shahunshah wrote:
Jacoby wrote:
MLK was gettin beaten and thrown in jail standing up for his civil rights; these protesters are demanding 'safe spaces', censorship, and recognition of tumblr's 300 genders.

It's pretty easy to not get banned if you one ACT YOUR AGE and TWO not speak to people in a way that would make your mother want to wash it out with soap. You are not a martyr.
You think its that. I pity your soul. Try tell that to the crowds of people protesting Trump because Mike Pence supports conversion therapy because millions of people that will lose their livelihoods. Its not for trivial things that they dislike Trump its real issues. And if a tide of social conservatism risks becoming prominent than their is something to fear.


When millions actually lose their livelihoods it's a real issue - you know, like the millions of ignored Americans in the Rust Belt who voted for Trump. But your concern is with hypothetical loss of livelihood?

As for conversion therapy, as long as it isn't being forced on anyone, I have no objection to it. If people wish to spend money on trying to reconcile their sexuality with their ideological views, that's their business. Until there is categorical evidence that homosexuality is 100% nature vs 0% nurture, I see no reason to deny it as an option to those who are inclined to undertake it.

Your social conservatism boogieman I leave to you.
I don't think Hillary was fair to all the Republicans in the Rust Belt and I think we should understand them and listen rather than alienate them. The millions of Americans I was referring to are the undocumented immigrants. The thing is that while we can support of unemployed Americans with social security those Mexican immigrants risk losing everything with deportation.


A risk which they elected to take entirely of their own accord. Nobody forced them to break the law and your government has a duty to its citizens, not to illegal immigrants.

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The deal with conversion therapy is that in many cases it is being forced on people in the majority of cases and ultimately it doesn't work.


As I said, I have no objection except where it's forced on people - which typically applies only to minors.

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Why should we allow it to take place if all it does is anger and frustrate the individual over not being able to change who they are.


What gives you the impression you're entitled to deny the choices of others based on your perception that their decision is futile? What you're suggesting sounds totalitarian to me.



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23 Jan 2017, 8:10 pm

Misslizard wrote:
Datalis wrote:
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datalis/\ I don't need youtubers to tell me what's right or wrong.Use common sense.Youtube is full of kooks.Maybe you shouldn't be watching them if they upset you.I own my home free and clear,what does homeownership have to do with this?You think your penis is evil?Why on earth would you think that?Dont listen to anyone who says something like that.They have deep seated problems.

I don't like when I'm personally attacked; furthermore you guys are still not understanding my point. Feminism is no longer feminism. That is why I call myself an egalitarian. 99% of women who call themselves feminist are not classical feminist, just like how Liberals today are not classical liberals.

How did you come up with 99%?None of the feminists here hate men.Neither do any of the feminists I know.Please don't lump us in with the nuts.

Then you should use a more appropriate term, such as egalitarian.