Did we really land on the Moon?

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i wish i had seen that mythbusters clip before i posted because now it may seem i am parroting them, when i actually never saw it before.

Kid, how would I be able to pay and find a stunt man to work for a stunt with Buzz Aldrin? Like what? How would I also be able to get a convincing performance out of the stunt man? Am I suppose to type on Craigslist: LOOKING FOR ACTOR/STUNTMAN TO STAR IN BUZZ ALDRIN FIGHT CONSPIRACY PLEASE DON'T TELL THE PUBLIC CODE MATRESS

Screw the moon landing conspiracy. I want to know how the government got a convincing performance in front of Buzz Aldrin.

Better yet who is the stunt man's agent? Or shall I say in secret code:

Agent of an agent of an agent of an agent of an agent of an agent of an agent.

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i see they canvassed the old flag waving thing.
they did not really say what the physics of it was though.
also, while they performed the test in a vacuum, they were also in 1G gravity (thus the top suspension pole to try to cancel that out).

everything has a "shape memory" and it is high in things that spring rapidly back into shape after being deformed.
it is low in things that seem to lie in their new position forever once placed there.

but even a wet towel that is scrunched up will return to it's open and flat orientation in time given zero gravity and no atmosphere.

so the "wriggling" of the flag on the moon was simply an elastic reaction to the urgency for the flag to return to it's original shape being overshot and checked by kinetic activity.

i bet now if someone returned to the moon, there would be no detectable movement in the flag, and they could set up and industrial fan to try to blow it, and there would be no effect.

not worth it to shut the mouths of nuts.

I know Stanley Kubrick's style in films, and there is absolutely no way that his style is close to that of the moon landing. If Stanley Kubrick directed the fake Moon Landing in Ar-

Wait... How big is the hanger in Area 51? It's an airfield, but to hold all those lights and accurately get broad lighting like that would require sunlight, and which would mean having to go outside, and not inside. I would have to make a set the size of Disney Land outdoors in sunlight to get that lighting effect of the Apollo 11 photos back in 1968.

Anyway, if Stanley Kubrick directed the fake moon landing in Area 51, then the space outfits would fit the style of that of a 1960's space comic book. The space vessel would not look like a nuclear rocket heading to space, but something out of Star Trek.

At a deep depth of field, everything would be in focus, so Stanley Kubrick would have had to go outside. The canvas marks would have shown in the photos, and other screen effects.

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Comrade Ezra: I have been instructed by the Central Committee to congratulate you on your current campaign of lunar dezinformatsiya, which has successfully diverted attention away from our clandestine takeover of the Democratic National Committee. The President will not forget your service to the glorious Motherland. He sends his regards from his dacha beside the Sea of Tranquility.

Kubrick's moon shots from 2001:A Space Odyssey

I never knew the moon had such a colorful blue lighting and that almost everything was in shadow. The pictures were bright as daylight at a deep depth of field.

I just don't see the efficacy and sense in performing a hoax of this magnitude.

I also went to Texas to see an exhibit of Russian spacecraft. It was quite interesting to see the differences in designs.

I do hope we get to Mars some day.

Around the time of the Apollo missions, they were talking about men landing on Mars by about 1985 LOL

It's the money, mostly, which is causing us not to fulfill our space travel dreams.

Another thing I didn't mention:

They are actually selling trips to the Moon for rich civilians with no astronaut/technical space travel experience. And people are buying.

So basically thousand of engineers conceived a rocket and spaceships with intention to land on the moon going through every details to make it a successful lunar mission and instead of doing what their equipments was made to do, NASA and the US government decided that it just orbit the Earth; for reasons?

The U.S. space program had been beaten quite badly in the 1950s and early 1960s by the largely successfully Soviet Union space program. In the mid- and late-1960s, General Secretary of the Central Committee of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union Leonid Brezhnev had essentially doubled down on its arming and financing of Viet Nam and other Soviet proxies in southeast Asian nations. The U.S. government saw that as provocative, and set about creating its own policies to dissuade the Soviet government from its harden course of action by building up U.S. troops in the region. One of the dissuasive policies was to show U.S. military might by achieving President Kennedy's dream of "landing a man on the Moon and returning him safely to the Earth."

But, the number of NASA failures compared to the Soviet successes demanded that any attempt by the U.S. government to landing on the moon and returning had to succeed at any price. Under such conditions, would it be so strange to shift NASA operations at the highest levels to make it appear that the U.S. government has succeeded? Extremely few individuals would need to know before, during and after the hoax. Meanwhile, the U.S. government would be celebrating undeniable victory on the world stage; and would have created a distraction in the Soviet government that might just have ended the deadly and unending Viet Nam war. That would be some tempting results for any government leader.

So, there were some desirable reasons to fake that achievement: first, because it really was a technically impossible endeavour, and secondly, Kennedy had essentially painted the U.S. government into a corner where it couldn't ever admit that failure was an option. Add in the possible side effect of ending expansionist war(s) in southeast Asia, and you got some easily convinced government leaders willing to flip the switch "just this once."

After all, how many military hoaxes were perpetrated by the U.S. and U.K. government in World War II? Practice makes perfect, right? And, it didn't hurt that NASA wunderkind Wernher von Braun had seen and understood those hoaxes as Nazi V-2 rocket engineer and SS officer. It wouldn't be a stretch of the imagination to believe that Von Braun could foist a convincing hoax, too.

I still feel SOMEBODY would have written a comprehensive expose had there actually been a hoax. There was not even an inkling of speculation of this nature until about 6 years after Apollo 11.

Yes, there were motivations for having a man on the Moon by the end of the 1960's--per the Kennedy speech, and the national ego of the United States. And this motivation was great enough for somebody to have at least contemplating perpetuating a hoax in the absence of the "real thing."

But I still find it implausible, for many reasons, that a hoax could have perpetuated.

Several exposes have been published and/or broadcast. But, they are dismissed as conspiracy theories. Don't underestimate the lengths to which a secretive, militarized federal agency would go to never leave traces of facts, and hide them if they do pop up.

It is interesting that a majority of Americans doubt the official explanation of the assassination of President Kennedy (and the growing list of admitted government conspiracies, hoaxes and scandals), but accept the Moon missions as legitimate.

For me, the ideas that the first human to walk on the moon essentially said nothing after the fact by going to great lengths to be left alone, and that a NASA film showed the Apollo 11 crew faking images of the Earth are enough to convince me that "something ain't quite right" about the whole idea.

Yeah that's the SpaceX project. It's supposed to launch next year.

The concept is that they realized it was impossible but were already too deep into the "we must beat Russia to the moon" project, so they ended up faking it. The thing to keep in mind with the premise is that beating Russia was the only reason why the government funded any of it.