Democracy and liberty

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Most third world countries are "fiscally conservative" in terms of their economic structure. They have a welfare net for the rich and it's tough for everyone else.

Let's use the Democratic Republic of Congo as an example. The country has one of the highest poverty rates in the world. They country also has no welfare system and no universal healthcare. Capitalism does not create wealth.

Meanwhile, the Soviet Union sent the first man into space, and it was so powerful that that US government was worried.

No economic system "creates wealth". That is just capitalist horses**t. In any society, wealth is extracted from the natural environment. The economic system just determines who gets the wealth and who doesn't.

Government assistance lifts people out of poverty. That is simply a fact.



That population increase was due to technological growth, not government assistance. Ethiopia has never had a significant amount of social security.



Letting poor people die of starvation is dehumanising.

You are essentially saying that some people should die just because their parents were irresponsible. Why should children have to suffer because of their parents' irresponsibility?

No food is not a human right. In order to be given food the government has to infringe on the rights of someone else and take something from them.

I am absolutely against corporate welfare too.

The guy who was arrested for joke his GF had a pug who she thought was the cutest thing in the world, so as a joke he thought make it the least cutest thing so he taught it to nazi salute when he said gas the Jews, he has been found guilty for this with the judge saying context doesn't matter. He did not have a jury, the police had to request a jewish man they work with to make a complaint so they could prosecute him.

The British government absolutely has been ignoring child rape. They treated 13 year old girls like prostitutes. It is indisputable they ignored child rape at this point.

The more people who are dependant on the state the more it is allowed to get away with.

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Are you seriously arguing that people only go to university to make money? What about all of the Women's Studies majors who are working at McDonalds to pay off their student debt?

People go to university because they have a passion for knowledge. It's almost never about money.

If university were all about the money, everyone would take computer science.



People are doing better nowadays because of democracy, not because of capitalism.

People also enjoyed life during the prehistoric era because democracy is natural human behavior. During the prehistoric era, suicide was a foreign concept because people enjoyed life so much.



During prehistory, people were surrounded by dangerous animals and death was everywhere, but people still loved life because they didn't live in a brutal system based on greed. People back then shared everything and made decisions democratically. In those days, the wilds were dangerous, but you could always trust the other people in your tribe. Love and trust held these societies together, not greed.

Another Thing: Do you seriously believe that capitalism isn't a system based on violence, or are you being deliberately dumb again?





I already proved that we aren't freer than ever. The freest societies in the world today are Amazonian tribes. That is a fact.

"Wealth" is hard to measure objectively, but the modern world is full of poverty, most of which exists in "fiscally conservative" societies. As I already pointed out, most African politicians agree with the Republican Party on nearly every issue. This is the main cause of poverty in Africa.

In the prehistoric era, people had a modest amount of food and they shared all of it.

What is wealth? In my opinion, the wealth that matters most is food. Nobody in the prehistoric era had opulent wealth, but everyone had food ... healthy food ... not junk food.

Primitive communism sustained our ancestors for millions of years. With this social system, our ancestors survived the ice age and the Toba catastrophe.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Primitive_communism

Primitive communism sustained human beings for millennia. It is the natural social system. It is the default human social system.

Social democracy is an attempt to bring back natural human behavior in a technological setting ... and it has already worked in every country that has tried it.

No. The main job of a parent is to protect children and give them basic information about the world in which they live. For example, parents need to teach their kids about what is and isn't poisonous. Parents also need to keep their kids away from dangerous animals, broken glass, ect.

When parents cannot provide their kids with food, that is more complicated. Usually, the society is to blame.

How is it even slightly justifiable to allow a another human being to go hungry? We all live in a society, meaning that we are in turn responsible to one another in some form or other. That means helping those who need help.
The people who you are so concerned with being robbed to support "unproductive people" tend to have a surplus of wealth, and so are hardly going to suffer paying taxes to help someone in need.

You say humans are not naturally lazy do you not understand how evolution works? If we pay lazy people to have more children lazy genes will become more common.

It is unethical to have children, its unethical to bring them into poverty, it is unethical to take money from another person to fund you lifestyle choice of having a child.

Lazy genes? Most people on welfare are either disabled or live in a world in which jobs are scarce. Politicians and economists constantly talk about "creating jobs" for a reason. Jobs can be hard to find in some time periods and some places. That's why so many people are unemployed.

So ... are you saying that we should do nothing for the unemployed?



Another Thing: Evolution takes millions of years. You seem to think that we could create a new species of sloth people in mere decades.





Take your neo-Malthusian attitude and shove it.

There are lots of productive people that are poor that is true but they mostly are low skilled and their jobs likely to be replaced too.

Man made money system that pay people to have children they couldn't otherwise afford absolutely have everything to do with evolution.

... and now you are speaking about poor people as though they are a different species.

Are you saying that poor people should be wiped out and replaced by machines? This fear is precisely what triggered the Unabomber's neo-luddite bombing campaign.



Prehistoric humans shared everything. Capitalism is more modern.

No food is not a human right. In order to be given food the government has to infringe on the rights of someone else and take something from them.

I am absolutely against corporate welfare too.

The guy who was arrested for joke his GF had a pug who she thought was the cutest thing in the world, so as a joke he thought make it the least cutest thing so he taught it to nazi salute when he said gas the Jews, he has been found guilty for this with the judge saying context doesn't matter. He did not have a jury, the police had to request a jewish man they work with to make a complaint so they could prosecute him.

The British government absolutely has been ignoring child rape. They treated 13 year old girls like prostitutes. It is indisputable they ignored child rape at this point.

The more people who are dependant on the state the more it is allowed to get away with.

What the Hell?

Are you seriously arguing that it is unethical to take from someone else in order to save a life?

That isn't morality. That's sociopathy.



... and yet you mostly focus on poor "welfare bums".



That was more than just a swift joke. Teaching a pug to do a Nazi salute on command takes a long time. It couldn't have possibly been a "spur of the moment" sort of thing.

It wasn't funny anyway. Teaching a pug to do a Nazi salute is about as funny as drawing a Nazi pony. It's not funny at all. I'm glad that this douchebag got arrested.



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Which is why America - the only developed country without universal heath care, has the Patriot Act.

Not many Americans are "dependant on the state" and yet the government still killed people in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Third world countries do not have strong property rights.

You idea that the lack of universal healthcare makes a country capitalist just shows how stupid you are.

Capitalism is legal property rights, most of the third world has terrible property rights.

The Soviet union put a man in space whilst millions of its people starved, isn't socialism great.

Capitalism absolutely creates wealth I cannot believe you think wealth is merely extracted from nature. Innovation is wealth, if you take something of lesser value and create something of greater value you have created wealth IE medicine, cars and computers.

I do not believe the poor should be left to starve, I think they should be given money if they get sterilised.

Yes they do. Most of the third world has been highly westernized at this point. They have commerce, cities, industrial economies and everything. These countries have hospitals and modern medicine, but only the rich can afford them.

These African children are starving because they live in capitalist countries without social safety nets. That is a fact.



You call me stupid as you mix up the words "you" and "your". How am I supposed to be offended by that?



Bollocks. These countries all have a rich upper class. Any starving person who tries to steal from the upper class gets shot. That is how private property rights work.



You are avoiding my point. I proved that technological advances can come out of socialism. Stop moving the goalposts.

The famine in the Soviet Union was a product of totalitarianism. Similar famines are common in African countries because the "democracy" there is heavily corrupted and plutocratic.

You are also ignoring the fact that the Soviet Union wasn't hit by the Great Depression.



Once again, you are ignoring all of the technological achievements that came out of non-capitalist societies. I tried to bring up the Soviet Space Program, but you just moved the goalposts.

The Romans had a pre-capitalist slave society. They created the aqueduct and magnificent architecture. Additionally, prehistoric humans invented the spear point and the campfire.

What makes you think that innovation is unique to capitalism?



I find your obsession with neo-Malthusian eugenics to be a tad disturbing.

Our constitution in fact ensures that the dictatorship of the majority doesn't quash dissenting minority voices. True, it hasn't always worked, but putting it into practice is a continuing process.

How so? And which one percent? The global one percent of earners who earn over $35k? Or the US one where they earn $500K? How is Bill Gates the author of your pain?