The Palestinians were the "original Canaanites"

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This argument again? I can't understand why Christians keep using this argument.

The Bible is so simple that a child can understand it? Yes, but what does this prove?

A child can't understand quantum mechanics. Does this mean that quantum mechanics is wrong?

I read the Bible. I understand it. I understand that the Bible regards women as men's property. It was created by a society which was undemocratic, and never even considered democracy as a possibility. That's blatantly obvious to anyone who has actually read it.

Here's the thing that surprised me most about the Old Testament: There are small portions about miracles, but most of the book is about ancient Israelite warfare and macho boasting. The book was clearly written by and for Ancient Israelites. It is no longer relevant as a book of morals or absolute truth.

At this point, the Bible is only relevant as a historical artifact.

Christians justifying genocide? See, here is where I actually start having fun with these discussions. And no, this isn’t my first trip to the rodeo. Answer this very simple question, if you can:

Where precisely in the Gospels did Jesus instruct His followers to commit genocide?

Jesus was a political reformist, he almost abolished all the ancient laws - if we look today at the Christian way of life , it has really nothing to do with the Jewish way of life, or its laws (ie. you eat pork, jews don't eat pork....etc) - the only common thing they have is the OT, but most modern Christian denominations don't live in the "OT way".

You clearly have no idea what we were talking about, I wrote that about the false affirmations Boo made about the extermination of the Canaanites. Boo quoted bits of the texts and misused them to get to the wrong conclusions.

Don't you have a degree? You ask me questions that are easily answered, even a child could do that, you post a thread containing false information and you make assumptions without quoting anything. Are you f*****g with me or what? Lame provokations, that's what it is.
You should apologize for accusing our sacred texts of lying while it's not true and even a child could understand it.
Now, because you've been proven wrong and it's been exposed that your thread is full of BS, you try to jump on the moral high-horse with your atheist s**t I couldn't care less about. Go home Boo, you're drunk!

You don’t know that. God doesn’t require our understanding for his own actions. If He chooses genocide, He is at liberty to do so.

Questioning God is like a small child questioning a parent. I typically do explain myself to my children and ask them questions to make sure they understand what I’ve just said. Once I know I’ve effectively communicated to them, I tell them to go their way and that I will follow up later. They may choose to obey my directives or not. But the time for giving orders and explaining myself has passed.

While it is rare, occasionally one of them will deliberately annoy me by asking useless questions in an attempt to frustrate or distract me enough that they get out of whatever task I put before them. I just remind them that I gave them a task, they understood the task, and there are consequences for failure. If they continue to defy me, I will punish them severely.

God doesn’t owe anyone an explanation, but there often is an explanation. If you love God, if you know God is present, if you know the directive came from God, you need no further explanation. Just get it done.

Genocide is merely something we are conditioned to believe only can be evil. We don’t have a concept of how good can come from it. We can’t understand how it can ever be justified. We have become highly sensitive to it. For all we know, wiping out a tribe was just another day in paradise for the ancients. Saying that genocide is evil across the board is preference bias, an imposition of personal subjectivity on something you know nothing about. The Canaanites were documented to be wicked past the point of redemption and the Israelites were to be their wake up call. So no, I think historians who say otherwise don’t know what they’re talking about.

Finally, the Bible establishes a pattern human failure to effectively carry out God’s will. Some Canaanites were able to get a final chance at life and redemption. Some were saved spiritually, and many Israelites opted to mix with Canaanites and adopt their customs and religion, thus losing their right to God’s promise.

When the Jews returned from exile, they had a chance to restore true worship and spread their faith to the nations. It seems they were somewhat successful for a while. Under Roman rule, their religion became about playing politics and the outward display of holiness unobtainable by the masses. Priests couldn’t be bothered to tend to the sick, the poor, and the uncleansed. Jesus once again shows up to restore the spirit of the Law and bring the whole world back into the fold.

The pattern continues to play out, and I do see the Catholic Church as a Christian version of the Pharisees. The Church became married to the state, and enjoyed a period of being the only unifying element after the fall of Rome and throughout the medieval period. Between the third century and the enlightenment, theology and practice was corrupted. Once people realized they COULD leave, they did, and now you have a plethora of denominations who worship according to their conscience. And when that ultimately fails, the pattern repeats.

Everything changed when Jesus showed up. I don’t think the old justifications for things work anymore. A just war is fought to protect people. But wholesale extermination? That’s not what Jesus taught.

I said nothing about the Gospel- where in my post I said Jesus was pro genocide?

i was talking about the OT, and you as Christians should believe in OT too.

It’s funny you’re saying that Christians don’t support genocides but this what you are exactly doing in this thread; you are justifying the genocides in OT.

You are creating false accusations:



This what I said about Jesus, where did I say he supported genocides?

Are you smoking something?

devout Christians use the exact same logic to justify old genocides?

Boo, you've reported peaceless for a personal attack, while you yourself have compared him to a whining baby and have asked angelrho if he's smoking something....and that was just the last page.

I'm not sure whose insult has the most significance here, considering that this is PPR.

Anyone selling popcorn around here?

Which brings us BACK to my earlier question. Where is it Jesus instructed His followers to commit genocide? Either He did or He didn’t. If He didn’t, then are people who claim to follow Jesus but promote genocide really following Jesus? If they don’t follow Jesus, are they even really Christians?

You are still asking about something I never said about Jesus.

But my logic is simple: His Father did command genocide in the OT, and you believe in the same God of Jews - are you saying that his son is morally better and more merciful than his Father?

And I don’t buy the whole “circumstance at the time” logic; this is an argument used by Muslims countless of times to justify Mohammad’s genocides.

Like for example the genocide of Khaybr - an old Arab Jewish tribe that got almost exterminated by Mohammad’s army, their women and kids got enslaved and their gold got stolen.

Now, some Muslims get shocked when they learn of the Khayber story and question why God would command to attack a Jewish community? There’s nothing in the Jewish faith and practices that contradict the pillars of Islam hence from Islamic point, Jews can’t be considered as disbelievers or idolators.
Muslim clerics though, typically justify it that, at this time, this “particular” Jewish community have committed a violation and treason to the truce they had with Mohammad’s state - and that their leaders were secretly cooperating with the pagan Arabs. Yeah, as if this justifies to kill their men and enslave all their women and kids. What a nice God.


AngelRho, you remind me so much of Muslim Clerics, you sound exactly like them - I am imagining you having a beard with a towel-like hat on head doing the Friday speech in a mosque.

Stop yelling like a whining baby.

Now tell me, what’s your view on Israel and Palestinians?

You think it’s ok to continue the extermination of any remaining Canaanite blood because this what God cammanded in the OT?

I mean... why should they stop now, did God put a time frame for the genocide of this ethnicity?

Plot twist! I, ehm, don't really like Jews much... Let's say.

As I see it, both Israel and Palestine are guilty of terrorism and war crimes against each other.

Your article was about Lebanese people, it didn't mention Palestinians at all.

I can easily deny that God didn't order all Canaanites to be killed, it's even written in the Bible but you still haven't read it properly it seems. Odd, considering that you quoted bits from that same passage.

Awww, you reported me, how cute. It was you who started it, btw.