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21 Jun 2018, 12:41 am

One banana per day won't make you fat


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21 Jun 2018, 12:44 am

as long as you don't fry it in bread and butter and peanut butter [elvis' fave meal]



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21 Jun 2018, 1:15 am

auntblabby wrote:
as long as you don't fry it in bread and butter and peanut butter [elvis' fave meal]


Unfortunately, I can’t stand a good many fruits, due to the tastes and textures. Every once in a great while i’lol eat an apple, as well as drink, apple, grape, cherry and blueberry juice. Unfortunately, bottled juices have gotten extremely expensive (~$4.00 for a quart bottle.)



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21 Jun 2018, 1:20 am

I don't mean to rain on your parade, but fruit juice is among the most fattening things one can eat or drink. fruit juices are still relatively cheap where I live [out in the sticks] and here one sees a LOT of people at the local wallyworld loading up their shopping carts with the stuff, and to a person they are battling morbid obesity.



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21 Jun 2018, 2:18 am

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I don't mean to rain on your parade, but fruit juice is among the most fattening things one can eat or drink. fruit juices are still relatively cheap where I live [out in the sticks] and here one sees a LOT of people at the local wallyworld loading up their shopping carts with the stuff, and to a person they are battling morbid obesity.


Yeah, but when you’re diabetic, it’s one of the fastest way to raise your blood sugars when they start crashing.



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21 Jun 2018, 2:32 am

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I don't mean to rain on your parade, but fruit juice is among the most fattening things one can eat or drink. fruit juices are still relatively cheap where I live [out in the sticks] and here one sees a LOT of people at the local wallyworld loading up their shopping carts with the stuff, and to a person they are battling morbid obesity.


Yeah, but when you’re diabetic, it’s one of the fastest way to raise your blood sugars when they start crashing.

yes, I remember what my late father [brittle diabetic] had to deal with, he always hadda carry a candy bar with him everywhere he went. I am similar in that I have somewhat brittle blood sugar regulation also but I am not diabetic, just tend towards low blood sugar. for that reason, I have to carry food with me wherever I go as well, as I get very fuzzy and out of it when I get hypoglycemic.



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21 Jun 2018, 6:52 am

auntblabby wrote:
I don't mean to rain on your parade, but fruit juice is among the most fattening things one can eat or drink. fruit juices are still relatively cheap where I live [out in the sticks] and here one sees a LOT of people at the local wallyworld loading up their shopping carts with the stuff, and to a person they are battling morbid obesity.

I hate how they give juice to kids and then tell them it's healthy. Even worse is giving muesli bars to kids as a "health food". A chocolate bar would be about as healthy.


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21 Jun 2018, 6:20 pm

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I don't mean to rain on your parade, but fruit juice is among the most fattening things one can eat or drink. fruit juices are still relatively cheap where I live [out in the sticks] and here one sees a LOT of people at the local wallyworld loading up their shopping carts with the stuff, and to a person they are battling morbid obesity.

I hate how they give juice to kids and then tell them it's healthy. Even worse is giving muesli bars to kids as a "health food". A chocolate bar would be about as healthy.

in your opinion, does down under have much of an obesity problem similar to amuuurica?



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21 Jun 2018, 8:54 pm

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I don't mean to rain on your parade, but fruit juice is among the most fattening things one can eat or drink. fruit juices are still relatively cheap where I live [out in the sticks] and here one sees a LOT of people at the local wallyworld loading up their shopping carts with the stuff, and to a person they are battling morbid obesity.

I hate how they give juice to kids and then tell them it's healthy. Even worse is giving muesli bars to kids as a "health food". A chocolate bar would be about as healthy.

in your opinion, does down under have much of an obesity problem similar to amuuurica?

Very much so. In Australia obese people of all ages are a common site. It has become normalised.

My grandmother showed me some slides from the 1980s. The slides depicted weddings and other gatherings. Dozens of different people appeared in the slides and not a single one of them was overweight.

That shows that obesity is not normal. It used to be a rare occurrence, not something that effects about half the population.


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22 Jun 2018, 10:08 pm

Does Australia offer programs to pay for gym membership to counter obesity? Us doesn’t.
We work less and have way more availability of food and because we didn’t in past we are designed to eat as much as we can when we can. So we get fat



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23 Jun 2018, 12:30 am

It should be.

I mean hell seems like even catholic nuns historically have seen medical aid as a human right.


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23 Jun 2018, 1:02 am

Dylanperr wrote:
Do you think it is?


In the United States, health care is not a right. As far as rights go, a person has the right to seek health care, meaning they can't legally be blocked from doing so in most instances (but it does happen), however providers and drug companies can refuse to provide care in many, but not all instances.

I do believe, however, that everyone should have access to affordable health care, and the U.S. should have universal healthcare, as many other developed nations do.

There are two reasons that we don't.
1. Conservatives. Half of whom have some valid concerns over socializing health care, and half of whom just don't like the idea of people who didn't work as hard as they do getting something for free.

2. Modern American politicians are not capable of implementing such a system.
We have no great leaders these days who can implement monumental reform and see it through successfully. Those died with the 20th century. Everything becomes a bureaucratic nightmare that fails or falls short. And then there is the issue of transitioning. The cost of medical care would have to be subjected to price caps. Providers often worry that compensation won't cover their cost of business and the insurance industry will lose money and fight the system tooth and nail. They will cause pain if they have to. There is a real danger that the American health care system will collapse if the transition isn't done slowly enough.



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23 Jun 2018, 1:26 am

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Does Australia offer programs to pay for gym membership to counter obesity?

No.


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23 Jun 2018, 1:30 am

Esmerelda Weatherwax wrote:
Well, darlin's, Professor Philip Alston, United Nations Special Rapporteur on extreme poverty and human rights, visited the US in 2017 and has a few rather pointed remarks on the subject.

Recommended reading here and also here.

His full report just came out... here and here's the money quote:

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Recognize a right to health care

78. Health care is, in fact, a human right. The civil and political rights of the middle class and the poor are fundamentally undermined if they are unable to function effectively, which includes working, because of a lack of the access to health care that every human being needs. The Affordable Care Act was a good start, although it was limited and flawed from the outset. Undermining it by stealth is not just inhumane and a violation of human rights, but an economically and socially destructive policy aimed at the poor and the middle class.

So their solution to poor people getting sick is for the poor people to work themselves through college on minimum wage, while suffering from an untreated disease and then compete in the highly competitive job market against healthy people until they either land a job with a health plan or get a job that pays enough to buy health insurance?
How the heck do they expect sick people to do all that?


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23 Jun 2018, 2:02 am

RetroGamer87 wrote:
Esmerelda Weatherwax wrote:
Well, darlin's, Professor Philip Alston, United Nations Special Rapporteur on extreme poverty and human rights, visited the US in 2017 and has a few rather pointed remarks on the subject.

Recommended reading here and also here.

His full report just came out... here and here's the money quote:

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Recognize a right to health care

78. Health care is, in fact, a human right. The civil and political rights of the middle class and the poor are fundamentally undermined if they are unable to function effectively, which includes working, because of a lack of the access to health care that every human being needs. The Affordable Care Act was a good start, although it was limited and flawed from the outset. Undermining it by stealth is not just inhumane and a violation of human rights, but an economically and socially destructive policy aimed at the poor and the middle class.

So their solution to poor people getting sick is for the poor people to work themselves through college on minimum wage, while suffering from an untreated disease and then compete in the highly competitive job market against healthy people until they either land a job with a health plan or get a job that pays enough to buy health insurance?
How the heck do they expect sick people to do all that?


Colleges typically require students have health insurance. The ACA has extended government insurance, often called medicaid, to cover not just disabled individuals, but also low income individuals. Senior citizens are also often eligible for a government subsidized insurance called medicare. The ACA introduced subsidized insurance for middle income individuals called "market place plans" however these plans aren't significantly less than non subsidized plans. There are people though, who are not quite impoverished, make too much for a subsidized plan, can't afford a private plan, and don't have health care through their employer, and they are effectively screwed. People do die in the U.S. due to lack of access to health care.

Even with insurance, healthcare fees in the U.S. can be astronomical because the market facilitates price gouging.



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23 Jun 2018, 2:26 am

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Colleges typically require students have health insurance. The ACA has extended government insurance, often called medicaid, to cover not just disabled individuals, but also low income individuals.

Very low income individuals.


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