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27 Feb 2019, 2:25 pm

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I was thinking about what university I wanted to go to, on the encouragement of my parents and also the teachers in the gifted program I was attending. There was a lot of focus on post secondary education and what would be necessary to take in high school to get there to get into the program that I wanted, which I eventually did--though I ended up having to leave university before I could graduate for health reasons and what I later learned was autistic burnout. So yeah, I was in enrichment at age 10 because it was recognized at a pretty early age that I was advanced and regular classes were too slow for me.


Well I'm glad you've had achievements, so have I. What I'm trying to get at here is you are insisting or hinting that I'm in no position to question anybody's intelligence simply because I didn't graduate from a university while they may have. You are completely missing the fact that college degrees do not define intelligence level, intelligence is a very complex matter, there is no way to easily sum it up. People are all different, we have our strengths and our weaknesses. And on another note, I didn't fail getting my degree in 'Microsoft Computer Programming Specialist' due to lack of intelligence, I was top of my class, students came to me for help rather than the teacher, the teacher didn't like that and the fact that I ranked top of the class while missing as many days as possible so he lied to me, told me I could miss one more day so I did, I came in to take the finals and he kicked me out saying I missed too many days(he set me up!).

I never went back to finish due to my fears around people, my autism, none of that has anything to do with my intelligence. Being poor and unable to afford education also has nothing to do with my intelligence. That also doesn't insist I don't have the ability to learn things, I love to learn and have always explored my interests, so just because I don't have a degree that doesn't mean I don't know anything and I lack intelligence and everyone with a degree is magically above me. I was top of my class in programming which is one of the more complicated fields.


Do you really think it's possible to be the dumbest person on earth and succeed in secondary and post-secondary education? Because that's what you called her, despite all she has achieved. My point was that when you do that it just makes you seem petty and jealous, it does not make her look stupid like what you were hoping to achieve. If you don't want people to judge your intelligence, don't do it to others who aren't here to stand up for themselves. That's just sh***y.



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27 Feb 2019, 2:41 pm

^ I think Crimadella might of been exaggerating for effect.

Intelligent people can still say and do dumb things , intelligence and common sense doesn't always go hand in hand.


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27 Feb 2019, 2:51 pm

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I ended up having to leave university before I could graduate for health reasons and what I later learned was autistic burnout.


Sounds familiar although I never got past 3 months of college. I knew something wasn't right but didn't understand till I joined here.


It was so frustrating for me because I could do the schoolwork, just as I always could--I've always been a straight A student, right up to the moment I had to quit. The work, the learning, was never the problem. It was the stress of my health problems and the social issues I was having (that I later found out were autism-related, when I was finally properly diagnosed) that did me in. I could write A papers and ace exams--but I couldn't talk to any of my peers or make any friends or professional connections, which becomes more important the farther you go in education. You have to be able to network to get anywhere in academia because it's not just about what you know but who you know, and I had no idea how to do that, no abilities in that regard. But I didn't understand the why of it until several years after I'd left university.



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27 Feb 2019, 3:02 pm

SaveFerris wrote:
^ I think Crimadella might of been exaggerating for effect.

Intelligent people can still say and do dumb things , intelligence and common sense doesn't always go hand in hand.


It's still a really crappy thing to say about someone when they can't defend themselves, especially if you don't want your own intelligence to be called into question. He opened that door with his comments.



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27 Feb 2019, 3:11 pm

karathraceandherspecialdestiny wrote:
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^ I think Crimadella might of been exaggerating for effect.

Intelligent people can still say and do dumb things , intelligence and common sense doesn't always go hand in hand.


It's still a really crappy thing to say about someone when they can't defend themselves, especially if you don't want your own intelligence to be called into question. He opened that door with his comments.

So, if you 'dis' on Trump all the time, then you are wrong for doing so because he isn't here to defend himself? People love to criticize each-other, it's part of our social complexity. You take everything I say as 100% literal. I love to laugh, I love to joke and pick at, that's just who I am. Keep this up and I'm going to be left to assume you have a crush on me 8O , lol. I'm just kidding, just chill Kara. :D



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27 Feb 2019, 3:29 pm

Yeah, questioning the intelligence of politicians we don't like is as common as seam-ripping flatulence after a meal at Taco Bell.


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27 Feb 2019, 4:12 pm

Crimadella wrote:
karathraceandherspecialdestiny wrote:
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^ I think Crimadella might of been exaggerating for effect.

Intelligent people can still say and do dumb things , intelligence and common sense doesn't always go hand in hand.


It's still a really crappy thing to say about someone when they can't defend themselves, especially if you don't want your own intelligence to be called into question. He opened that door with his comments.

So, if you 'dis' on Trump all the time, then you are wrong for doing so because he isn't here to defend himself? People love to criticize each-other, it's part of our social complexity. You take everything I say as 100% literal. I love to laugh, I love to joke and pick at, that's just who I am. Keep this up and I'm going to be left to assume you have a crush on me 8O , lol. I'm just kidding, just chill Kara. :D


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27 Feb 2019, 5:10 pm

karathraceandherspecialdestiny wrote:
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I ended up having to leave university before I could graduate for health reasons and what I later learned was autistic burnout.


Sounds familiar although I never got past 3 months of college. I knew something wasn't right but didn't understand till I joined here.


It was so frustrating for me because I could do the schoolwork, just as I always could--I've always been a straight A student, right up to the moment I had to quit. The work, the learning, was never the problem. It was the stress of my health problems and the social issues I was having (that I later found out were autism-related, when I was finally properly diagnosed) that did me in. I could write A papers and ace exams--but I couldn't talk to any of my peers or make any friends or professional connections, which becomes more important the farther you go in education. You have to be able to network to get anywhere in academia because it's not just about what you know but who you know, and I had no idea how to do that, no abilities in that regard. But I didn't understand the why of it until several years after I'd left university.


That doesn't sound familiar :lol: I was not a straight A student in fact my marks got progressively worse , school was a big waste of time for me except for football ( soccer ) , I think it just didn't stimulate me and I was far too easily distracted. If you are talking exams I am extremely uneducated. I'm so glad I was unable to pursue being a teacher in computer studies as I now know it wouldn't of suited me.


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27 Feb 2019, 5:12 pm

karathraceandherspecialdestiny wrote:
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^ I think Crimadella might of been exaggerating for effect.

Intelligent people can still say and do dumb things , intelligence and common sense doesn't always go hand in hand.


It's still a really crappy thing to say about someone when they can't defend themselves, especially if you don't want your own intelligence to be called into question. He opened that door with his comments.


I partially agree but yeah if you can't take it , don't dish it out 8)


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27 Feb 2019, 5:42 pm

SaveFerris wrote:
karathraceandherspecialdestiny wrote:
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^ I think Crimadella might of been exaggerating for effect.

Intelligent people can still say and do dumb things , intelligence and common sense doesn't always go hand in hand.


It's still a really crappy thing to say about someone when they can't defend themselves, especially if you don't want your own intelligence to be called into question. He opened that door with his comments.


I partially agree but yeah if you can't take it , don't dish it out 8)


That seems fair to me; if one calls into question someone else's intelligence we should be able to question the questioner's intelligence. As my Gramms would say "Turnabout is fair play."



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27 Feb 2019, 5:47 pm

SaveFerris wrote:
karathraceandherspecialdestiny wrote:
SaveFerris wrote:
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I ended up having to leave university before I could graduate for health reasons and what I later learned was autistic burnout.


Sounds familiar although I never got past 3 months of college. I knew something wasn't right but didn't understand till I joined here.


It was so frustrating for me because I could do the schoolwork, just as I always could--I've always been a straight A student, right up to the moment I had to quit. The work, the learning, was never the problem. It was the stress of my health problems and the social issues I was having (that I later found out were autism-related, when I was finally properly diagnosed) that did me in. I could write A papers and ace exams--but I couldn't talk to any of my peers or make any friends or professional connections, which becomes more important the farther you go in education. You have to be able to network to get anywhere in academia because it's not just about what you know but who you know, and I had no idea how to do that, no abilities in that regard. But I didn't understand the why of it until several years after I'd left university.


That doesn't sound familiar :lol: I was not a straight A student in fact my marks got progressively worse , school was a big waste of time for me except for football ( soccer ) , I think it just didn't stimulate me and I was far too easily distracted. If you are talking exams I am extremely uneducated. I'm so glad I was unable to pursue being a teacher in computer studies as I now know it wouldn't of suited me.


Getting good grades was one of the few ways I felt like I could consistently perform growing up. It was the only thing about school life that I could handle. In all the social aspects I was just flailing the entire time. I just happened to be a very curious person from as early as I can remember and always loved to read and to learn, and it was a quality that was appreciated by my teachers. Just as teachers who are genuinely enthusiastic and passionate about what they teach and the job of imparting wisdom to students make the best teachers, genuinely enthusiastic learners are their favourite students.



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27 Feb 2019, 5:54 pm

karathraceandherspecialdestiny wrote:
SaveFerris wrote:
karathraceandherspecialdestiny wrote:
SaveFerris wrote:
^ I think Crimadella might of been exaggerating for effect.

Intelligent people can still say and do dumb things , intelligence and common sense doesn't always go hand in hand.


It's still a really crappy thing to say about someone when they can't defend themselves, especially if you don't want your own intelligence to be called into question. He opened that door with his comments.


I partially agree but yeah if you can't take it , don't dish it out 8)


That seems fair to me; if one calls into question someone else's intelligence we should be able to question the questioner's intelligence. As my Gramms would say "Turnabout is fair play."


You have to be careful though not to cross the boundary of personal attack , Crimendella does not seem like a poster who would report such comments so it's all cool imo ( other posters would only be too happy to report someone who questioned their intelligence ), he seems very open to debate.

Hopefully all posters can move on from this side attraction and continue with the debate.


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27 Feb 2019, 9:50 pm

I voted for Gary Johnson, because I'm sick of the two party system and didn't think much of either Trump or Clinton. Of the third party candidates, the libertarians are with whom I most closely align politically and Gary was the best qualified candidate of that group. Trump had zero political experience and mostly made a name for himself by saying things conventional politicians wouldn't say, with no substance to back up his bombast. His presidency would be a complete and total failure if not for the political acumen of Mitch McConnell. Clinton was a seasoned politician, but a careful review of her career reveals her political skill to be mediocre at best. She was also tied to scandal after scandal dating back to Whitewater. Blame this on a conspiracy if you want, but Occam's razor suggest she was another power hungry dirty politician in a town full of them.

Both were awful candidates that were a product of the incredibly flawed two party system. I would not blame anyone for voting for either candidate (although I will debate anyone who thinks either Clinton or Trump was a good candidate). I suspect autistics like other people voted for a variety of candidates. Thinking autistics voted for one type of candidate is just another form of tribalism.


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28 Feb 2019, 3:25 am

the first libertarian who 1] is not opposed to affordable health care for the working class [and has a feasible plan to accomplish this], and 2] not opposed to social security, may make me think about voting for him/her, if they are the de facto right-wing candidate without some scum like orange or pence or cruz also running. but i'm not holding my breath.



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03 Apr 2019, 3:25 pm

didnt vote felt like has nothing to do with me nothing was gonna change stream billie eilish on spotify



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I voted for Gary Johnson, because I'm sick of the two party system and didn't think much of either Trump or Clinton. Of the third party candidates, the libertarians are with whom I most closely align politically and Gary was the best qualified candidate of that group. Trump had zero political experience and mostly made a name for himself by saying things conventional politicians wouldn't say, with no substance to back up his bombast. His presidency would be a complete and total failure if not for the political acumen of Mitch McConnell. Clinton was a seasoned politician, but a careful review of her career reveals her political skill to be mediocre at best. She was also tied to scandal after scandal dating back to Whitewater. Blame this on a conspiracy if you want, but Occam's razor suggest she was another power hungry dirty politician in a town full of them.

Both were awful candidates that were a product of the incredibly flawed two party system. I would not blame anyone for voting for either candidate (although I will debate anyone who thinks either Clinton or Trump was a good candidate). I suspect autistics like other people voted for a variety of candidates. Thinking autistics voted for one type of candidate is just another form of tribalism.

I know you'll get some fire from those still on the Republican side and Democrat side for spoiling their candidate.