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13 Mar 2009, 3:26 pm

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I am not muslim, but In my opinion, it was Rushdie's own fault that he is facing death threats, as he was brought up a muslim, he knew that this kind of thing would happen if he insulted islam if he does get assasinated, it would be his own blame not the muslims (Careless talk costs lives!!). as a Jew, I would not even dare to Insult Islam or certain parts of Christianity as there is a risk of becoming a victim of anti-semitism.

What madness do you speak? Should we all be silenced for fear of these cowards and their bombs? Should the entire world surrender the freedoms we fought for centuries to obtain and preserve merely because of the threats of criminals and savages? No, of course not. If they threaten us, we should kill them.

Is the victim to blame for any crime? You seem like the type who would say a rape victim deserved it because of being dressed "provocatively." You have a right to free expression, and should never let fear of extremist bigots detract from that right. Defend your liberty! My ancestors fought and died to secure freedoms for me, and I will not so easily relinquish them.

are you comparing Rushdie to a rape victim?, no! !Rushdie's actions were more like this

And here is the difference. You posted a satirical cartoon, lampooning the man who is a prince of the realm, and in line for the throne of Great Britain, after his father and elder brother, and could one day be the head of a major religion as well. Nobody has tried to kill you for this. You have that freedom. But satire to Islam appears to be the very epitome of evil, and results in vicious backlash. Should we then act similarly, and declare you blasphemous scum for satirising our leaders?

I would never satire islam, The point i am making what Salman Rushdie did with Islam was like when Prince Harry dressed as a Nazi in a fancy dress party, i am saying Salman Rushdie was impulsive like when Prince Harry when he dressed up as a Nazi.

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13 Mar 2009, 3:49 pm

Laconvivencia wrote:

If you would not make joke or satire about Islam or any other religion, it is your choice. If other have other ideas it is their choise and right.

There is no right of being not insulted.

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13 Mar 2009, 4:22 pm

Eeeek.....don't mess with Dussel.

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19 Sep 2009, 9:09 am

It was Rushdies own fault that he got death threats, not anyone else. he should not have written the book.

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19 Sep 2009, 10:24 am

Laconvivencia wrote:

It was Rushdies own fault that he got death threats, not anyone else. he should not have written the book.

Anybody who believes that someone who criticizes a philosophical or theocratic belief may be justifiably executed believes in religious censorship to the point of a death sentence. There is no other name for that viewpoint but totalitarianism. If a belief is so weak and fragile that it must defend its standpoint by threatening and perhaps causing death then it is obviously not worthy of respect.

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19 Sep 2009, 10:31 am

Laconvivencia wrote:

It was Rushdies own fault that he got death threats, not anyone else. he should not have written the book.

If others didn't like it, they could have written books satirising Rushdie. As others have posted, he was merely exercising freedoms that are accepted in any enlightened society. Those that don't like his books can simply not read them.

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19 Sep 2009, 11:50 am

Laconvivencia wrote:

It was Rushdies own fault that he got death threats, not anyone else. he should not have written the book.

Quit blaming the victim. In a civilized society, people have freedom of expression. I uphold and desire to protect that freedom for everyone, not just those I agree with. Yes, I even wish to preserve free expression for racists and neo-Nazis, abhorrent as their views are. When the barbarians in the Near East spit on these freedoms by making a man fear for his life simply because he expressed an opinion they did not like, they have assaulted the very basis of a free society. It is tantamount to a declaration of war on civilization, and should be treated as such.

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19 Sep 2009, 12:28 pm

Laconvivencia wrote:

It was Rushdies own fault that he got death threats, not anyone else. he should not have written the book.

Criticizing the critic. Interesting approach.

You do realize that it was his critiques of Islam that caused the death threats, right?

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19 Sep 2009, 12:47 pm

Sand wrote:

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It was Rushdies own fault that he got death threats, not anyone else. he should not have written the book.

Yes, the 'If you say my religion is violent, I will kill you' type. Another irony: One of the anti- Rushdie knighthood protesters on tv was going on about how knighthoods are irrelevant - I was thinking 'well, obviously you care.'

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19 Sep 2009, 12:50 pm

The process....

Salmon Rushdie: they are a savage and uncivilized people

the muslim response: KILL THE INFIDEL!! !! !

*shrug* When you make the critic seem to correct, it's hard to ignore his stance.

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19 Sep 2009, 1:05 pm

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Or the Dutch cartoon.

"Islam promotes violence."

Response across the Islamic world: "How dare they print such insults and blasphemy! Islam is not violent, and we'll kill anyone who disagrees! Let's blow stuff up to prove them wrong!"

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19 Sep 2009, 1:12 pm

Laconvivencia wrote:

It was Rushdies own fault that he got death threats, not anyone else. he should not have written the book.

Blaming the victim is unbecoming. Rushdie has a right to author and publish any booik he pleases. The Jihadis have no right to threaten his life for exercising the natural right of self expression.

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19 Sep 2009, 9:28 pm

Laconvivencia wrote:

You are getting to of the subject! this is about Rushdie

Salman says topic

All roads lead to Rushdie!!

The tangents of this thread are very very interesting, and (mostly)superbly argued, even the ones with which I do not agree.

What would it be like to have a fatwah placed on one's head, to write The Satanic Verses
, or draw the Danish Cartoons which resulted in those stale cookies being boycotted?

Almond jihad and Debt (or is it Death?) to America. :roll:

We live in a peculiarly NT world, saturated by religion, wars, cookies, freedom of expression--all food for thought, and in the case of those cookies, I only want the tins they come in. Good for storing useful bits and pieces.

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19 Sep 2009, 11:13 pm

It is clear from some comments on this thread that some individuals believe it is a sign of respect to not examine and point out the outrageous inconsistencies some people hold as a matter of faith and the even more outrageous acts they feel are justified in defending their particular fantasies. And there are others who take seriously the many new concepts and discoveries accumulated through the recent centuries which have proven so fruitful in integrating huge fields of previously misunderstood knowledge to the undeniable benefit of humanity as a whole and the technical aspects of our society in particular. These latter individuals undertake what they feel is a proper duty of someone who appreciates and comprehends this new knowledge to see to it that this new and vital integration is communicated to as many people as possible to get rid of the confusions promulgated by archaic social groups who are so fearful that the new knowledge will obviously demonstrate the foolishness of their previous beliefs and thereby destroy the power bases of their control of an ignorant mass of people. This is a vital concern of all thinking people and it might even determine the survival of civilization itself which seems to be edging towards practices which are destroying basic ecologies. It is surely a program worth defying death threats by ignorant and emotionally aroused individuals.

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20 Sep 2009, 7:08 am

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There's a world of difference between Adolf Hilter and Salman Rushdie. One had 6M people murdered and one was irreverent in a book. The idea of even putting the two as a comparison on the same page is quite amazing.

Rushdie slandered Muhammed, Islam and decent values in general, and he's done his part to worsen relations between the western and arab worlds. It's very understandable that they feel this way, and pointing out how the western world would react if someone praised Hitler is a good way of putting you in their shoes.

And what if someone praised Hitler? That is no reason for putting out a death contract on him.

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20 Sep 2009, 1:17 pm

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